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Thumbs up Gdańsk-Odessa Expressway

Ukraine and Poland are planning a joint project constructing an expressway all the way from Gdańsk to Odessa to promote trade and tourism.

Very expensive project, 10 million Euro per 1 kilometer is the average cost in EU but it depends on the country.

The expressway will be a southern part of the Silk Road through the Caspian Sea and Black Sea and it's meant to bypass Russia.

From www.kresy.pl




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I hear that Putin refers to it as the "Odessa-Gdansk Invasion Expressway". All lanes are westbound...
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I hear that Putin refers to it as the "Odessa-Gdansk Invasion Expressway". All lanes are westbound...
That's gonna be a big project for Putin taking on NATO all by himself with Venezuela as his only ally. I think things will go nuclear pretty soon as Putin tries to save face. Let's not even talk about that. Too scary to contemplate.
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Someone should explain to Poland and the Ukraine on how to finance a Toll Road!

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In the Ukraine all the money would end up in offshore bank accounts.
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So ... there aren't any 4-lane Highways along that route already?
That's a strange thing to hear about.

Lets hear it for all the wonderful infrastructure that 5all those years of Socialist progress left behind it, eh?
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So ... there aren't any 4-lane Highways along that route already?
That's a strange thing to hear about.

Lets hear it for all the wonderful infrastructure that 5all those years of Socialist progress left behind it, eh?
Four-lane highway! Gasp!
If this mind-blowing idea was ever born in the head of a communist party member the most likely reaction would have been: "comrade, the hell you want to do with four lanes?! are you a capitalist sabotager?"

Communists never promised or wanted a car in every garage.
Communist cities were not built for that either. At least the one I'm in wasn't. You had for instance a large apartment block with at least 100 families in it and 10 parking spots alotted. They were enlarged later by destroying part of the nice gardens and trees that were outside the apartment blocks.
When they built the apartment blocks they also didn't think about what the proper distance between them should be in terms of traffic and parking.
Now most families have cars and traffic is horrible in a choked city.
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So ... there aren't any 4-lane Highways along that route already?
That's a strange thing to hear about.

Lets hear it for all the wonderful infrastructure that 5all those years of Socialist progress left behind it, eh?
Polish expressways are excellent and very dense. In fact they are better than the American ones because they are new while the American infrastructure is aging. I don't know what's going on east of the Polish border. Haven't been there since 1983.
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... In fact they are better than the American ones because they are new while the American infrastructure is aging.
No, I won't accept that newer = better when it comes to roads. Going by that logic, the US highways are better than the Autobahn because they are newer... and I think we both know that ain't the case.

I'll entertain the idea that China's highways might be better because they made the lanes 30cm wider.
A pretty wonderful thing in itself, if you ask me.
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So ... there aren't any 4-lane Highways along that route already?
All explained in a pretty bombastic official booklet:
http://mtu.gov.ua/files/go_highway.pdf
Actually the thing is more a reconstruction of already existing roads on Ukrainian territory than a new construction. Poland is not going to build anything.
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Somehow doubt that. Worth to remind that a test launch of cargo rail traffic from Ukrainian Odessa to China ended with rail cars disappearing without a trace near Kazakh border so it took several weeks just to find them. Was a big story a couple of years ago.
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