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America's Longest War

WTF !!!

How does what should have been an "in-n-out" expedition become a prolonged "War"???

Mourning a soldier whose death could mark a new stage in America’s longest war

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mou...HhB?li=BBnb7Kz


This should have been an "operation" not a "strategy" and over a dozen plus years ago ~ not an "on-going". Especially considering the conplications of Pakistan to the "Equation".


Iraq had better potential to turn the "Islamic Equation" than Afganhistan. ,,,


Why has the USA wasted so much material/human power/A$$e$$t$ here ???
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Because you go where the enemy is. We just lost a soldier hunting terrorists in Somalia.

Our grandchildren will be fighting and dying in this same conflict. Odds are decent their grandchildren will as well.

The Israelis have been fighting it for sixty years.

This is the world we live in now. There are no more WW2 happy endings, just a constant struggle to maintain what we have.

This isn't a marathon, it is a way of life.
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most of these are Spec OPs...
..we are at war with the terrorists--a war very unlike WW2, Korea, etc....this war is ongoing, complicated, etc...
.. we think of WW2 as getting to Berlin and Tokyo--easy to see a timeline
--but terrorists are all over....no central government
so, that's why troops are still there...to gain intel, 'friends', etc

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Because you go where the enemy is. We just lost a soldier hunting terrorists in Somalia.

Our grandchildren will be fighting and dying in this same conflict. Odds are decent their grandchildren will as well.

The Israelis have been fighting it for sixty years.

This is the world we live in now. There are no more WW2 happy endings, just a constant struggle to maintain what we have.

This isn't a marathon, it is a way of life.
True, but we never should have let the mission creep to nation building.
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True, but we never should have let the mission creep to nation building.
Especially in a "nation" not ready to become a nation. Why I said Iraq was the better format for "creep" and would have provided more return on investment.

Haven't time to go in depth, but 'Forces' deployed to Afghanistan have a logistical tail that runs thru Pakistan. Pakistan is a very devisive nation on verge of potential civil(divided) war on a nominally East/West geographic axis and an Islamic Fundy/Westy Reachy Cultual divide. Guess which faction within Paki's ISI seeded the Taliban into Afgahn on the Soviet withdrawal and USA loosing interest ???

Assets deployed into Afgahnistan do so thru a long limb of shakey "tail" thru Pakistan and hence the Paki powderkeg could "Blow" any investment in Afghan. in some near future. Our "troops" are on the thin end of long and fragile branch off the tree trunk, could easily become cut-off in a flashmob cultural event in their rear/Paki.

Between the Leadership and Advisers of the past 15+ years, I'm wondering if there's anyone in a key position in "The Swamp" has a clue on Strategy, let alone Grand Strategy??? !!!

Meanwhile, the OP was half rhetorical in a way. More later of course.
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Its not our problem, we should track down and kill the people who directly attacked us ,a swathe of destruction and crying widows.Then we should leave, no PC no "nation building " do not worry about HR or other BS.
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Why has the USA wasted so much material/human power/A$$e$$t$ here ???
Because the neo-cons believe that #democracy trumps culture.

Because the progressives believe that the US should enforce their values on the world.

Because was is good for business.

And because the American people are too apathetic and unfocused to actually demand change from their politicians.
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Because you go where the enemy is. We just lost a soldier hunting terrorists in Somalia.

Our grandchildren will be fighting and dying in this same conflict. Odds are decent their grandchildren will as well.

The Israelis have been fighting it for sixty years.

This is the world we live in now. There are no more WW2 happy endings, just a constant struggle to maintain what we have.

This isn't a marathon, it is a way of life.
"There are no more happy endings" because we have forgotten or ignored the fact that wars are fought to be won. They are not mindless political gestures. Roosevelt and Truman would have won a war in the Middle East, but we no longer produce leaders - just people who take up space in the Oval Office.
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"There are no more happy endings" because we have forgotten or ignored the fact that wars are fought to be won. They are not mindless political gestures. Roosevelt and Truman would have won a war in the Middle East, but we no longer produce leaders - just people who take up space in the Oval Office.
I'm all for that
But then let's start with taking out our supposed allies Egypt Pakistan and Saudi Arabia
Keep a occupation force of non muslims there like Israelis Hindus nigerians Filipinos etc
Rub their noses in the sand legalize gambling prostitution alcohol in their countries
Once a couple generation of kids born to Muslim mothers by nonmuslim fathers this whole problem of extremism will disappear
Who is volunteering ?
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No decision yet on size of U.S. troop increase in Afghanistan: Mattis

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BAGHDAD/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon has yet to decide how many more U.S. troops to send to Afghanistan as it is still drawing up a plan, Defense Secretary James Mattis said on Tuesday, after President
Donald Trump committed the United States to an open-ended war there.

Trump offered few specifics in a televised address about Afghanistan on Monday, but promised a stepped-up military campaign against Taliban insurgents who have gained ground against U.S.-backed Afghan government forces. He also singled out neighboring Pakistan for harboring militants, an accusation denied by Islamabad.

The Afghan government welcomed Trump's speech but the Taliban said it would make the country a "graveyard for the American empire."

Mattis said he was waiting for a plan from the U.S. military's chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joseph Dunford, before deciding how many more troops to send to Afghanistan, where the United States is fighting its longest war.

"When he brings that to me, I will determine how many more we need to send in," Mattis told reporters during a visit to Baghdad. "It may or may not be the number that is bandied about."

U.S. officials have said Trump has given Mattis the authority to send about 4,000 additional troops to add to the roughly 8,400 already in Afghanistan.

The United States appears to be in no hurry to send new forces. Trump authorized Mattis in June to set future Afghan troop levels amid a long and difficult debate in the administration about how to handle the 16-year-long war.

Trump has previously called for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. On Monday he said his original instinct was to pull out all American troops but that he was convinced otherwise by his military advisers after a lengthy strategy review.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KCN1B109Q?il=0

Would seem the Joint Chiefs are more focused on continued fighting and/or "winning" this "war" rather than if we should continue to be there.

Meanwhile the TDS~Trump bashing crowd has a fork in the road here; on one hand their claims Trump doesn't listen to advisors would seem to be in error on this account; on the other hand they might whine that Trump has broken from a campaign promise. No making the loonie-Left happy ever ...
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"FOLLOW THE MONEY" somebody is making billions of of this. Get the F out would cost some influential people big bucks.

GET THE F OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm all for that
But then let's start with taking out our supposed allies Egypt Pakistan and Saudi Arabia
Keep a occupation force of non muslims there like Israelis Hindus nigerians Filipinos etc
Rub their noses in the sand legalize gambling prostitution alcohol in their countries
Once a couple generation of kids born to Muslim mothers by nonmuslim fathers this whole problem of extremism will disappear
Who is volunteering ?
One thing I'm sure of...your not.
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President Trump unveils policy changes in Afghanistan war

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This should have been an "operation" not a "strategy" and over a dozen plus years ago ~ not an "on-going". Especially considering the conplications of Pakistan to the "Equation".


Iraq had better potential to turn the "Islamic Equation" than Afganhistan. ,,,


Why has the USA wasted so much material/human power/A$$e$$t$ here ???



Follow the money. Some are making great big bundles yearly from the death and destruction. Long past time to go home.
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