HistoryNet.com RSS
ArmchairGeneral.com RSS

HistoryNet.com Articles
America's Civil War
American History
Aviation History
Civil War Times
MHQ
Military History
Vietnam
Wild West
World War II

ACG Online
ACG Magazine
Stuff We Like
War College
History News
Tactics 101
Carlo D'Este
Books

ACG Gaming
Boardgames
PC Game Reviews

ACG Network
Contact Us
Our Newsletter
Meet Our Staff
Advertise With Us

Sites We Support
HistoryNet.com
StreamHistory.com
Once A Marine
The Art of Battle
Game Squad
Mil. History Podcast
Russian Army - WW2
Achtung Panzer!
Mil History Online

Go Back   Armchair General and HistoryNet >> The Best Forums in History > Historical Events & Eras > World War II

Notices and Announcements

World War II Discuss WW2. .

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 23 Sep 17, 12:18
Pruitt's Avatar
Pruitt Pruitt is online now
ACG Forums - General Staff
France
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign 
Summer Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Richard Pruitt
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sulphur, LA
Posts: 26,977
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aber View Post
Eisenhower never gave US 1st Army to Montgomery, and so could not take it away after Arnhem. Eisenhower gave priority to US 1st Army for supplies over US 3rd Army, but that was to attack Aachen, not Arnhem.
Strange, this is not what is written in a book I am rereading right now, "The Guns At Last Light" by Rick Atkinson.

"Even as Market Garden unglued, the field marshal had pressed once more for a single axis, preferably that of 21st Army Group, with nine reinforcing divisions from the US First Army also under his command. Montgomery proposed that other Allied forces "stop in place where they are," donating transports and other war stuffs to his expedition."

Montgomery did not have enough British and Commonwealth divisions under his command, or getting enough supply through his ports to fund his plans. He also had a Polish division and a Brigade from Czechoslavakia, the Netherlands and Belgium. The Channel Ports in British hands have been suggested in another post in these forums to have supplied the British 21st Army Group adequately, yet Montgomery was always trying to get much of the American supply? Montgomery seems to contradict this.

Pruitt
__________________
Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 23 Sep 17, 13:36
Rutger's Avatar
Rutger Rutger is offline
Sergeant Major
Netherlands
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Rutger
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Hengelo
Posts: 335
Rutger is on the path to success [1-99] Rutger is on the path to success [1-99] Rutger is on the path to success [1-99] Rutger is on the path to success [1-99]
The battle for Arnhem is well remembered here, with many commemorative activities taking place each year, including welcoming veterans.

https://www.airborne-herdenkingen.nl/

Contrary to what some like to believe, we are and will remain very grateful to the sacrifices made by so many brave men, and not just of those at Arnhem.
__________________
There must be a reason why you're of zero influence in the political arena.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 23 Sep 17, 14:44
jf42's Avatar
jf42 jf42 is offline
Sergeant Major
UK
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: London
Posts: 383
jf42 is on the path to success [1-99] jf42 is on the path to success [1-99] jf42 is on the path to success [1-99]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutger View Post
The battle for Arnhem is well remembered here, with many commemorative activities taking place each year, including welcoming veterans.

https://www.airborne-herdenkingen.nl/

Contrary to what some like to believe, we are and will remain very grateful to the sacrifices made by so many brave men, and not just of those at Arnhem.
I have to say that is very clear, especially in September, not only in Arnhem but in the surrounding district of the Betuwe, where, coincidentally, for the last few years I have found myself visiting in the weeks preceding the anniversary. In surrounding cemeteries and churchyards even single war graves are signposted and cared for. There are also information panels and monuments to soldiers who died in small actions along the Waal in the last months of the war. There are, of course, also memorials to Resistance members and innocent civilians who were killed during the occupation.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 23 Sep 17, 17:00
dmf01's Avatar
dmf01 dmf01 is offline
Brigadier General
Russia
5 Year Service Ribbon Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Perm
Posts: 2,486
dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500]
dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500] dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500] dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500] dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500] dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500] dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500] dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500] dmf01 is a jewel in the rough [500]
One more specificity concerning proposed liberation of Netherlands.
Geographic situation gave the Germans the opportunity to successfully blackmail the Allies: "In case you'd attack, we'll flood the country". Thus eventual liberation took place only after end of the hostilities in Europe.
__________________
"Keep Calm. Use Less X's"
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 23 Sep 17, 17:42
Pruitt's Avatar
Pruitt Pruitt is online now
ACG Forums - General Staff
France
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign 
Summer Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Richard Pruitt
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sulphur, LA
Posts: 26,977
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Depends on the area. The Allies (read British/Canadians) breached the levies on Walcheren Island to make the invasion easier. The resulting flood made amphibious vehicles travel easier into the area. The Canadian troops used Amvibious vehicles from the 79th Armor Division. I doubt this made feeding Dutch civilians easier, but it did clear the river approach to Antwerp. Perhaps using Antwerp after the mines were swept helped feeding Dutch civilians?

Pruitt
__________________
Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 23 Sep 17, 17:57
jf42's Avatar
jf42 jf42 is offline
Sergeant Major
UK
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: London
Posts: 383
jf42 is on the path to success [1-99] jf42 is on the path to success [1-99] jf42 is on the path to success [1-99]
In December 1944, the Germans did flood much of the Betuwe between the Nederijn and the Waal, a collapse of the Waal dyke farther west completing the job. Meanwhile, in October the allies had bombed the dykes on Walcheren in order to facilitate their assault.

Last edited by jf42; 24 Sep 17 at 04:22..
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 24 Sep 17, 03:55
Aber's Avatar
Aber Aber is offline
Major General
Wales
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Aberystwyth
Posts: 2,968
Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruitt View Post
Strange, this is not what is written in a book I am rereading right now, "The Guns At Last Light" by Rick Atkinson.

"Even as Market Garden unglued, the field marshal had pressed once more for a single axis, preferably that of 21st Army Group, with nine reinforcing divisions from the US First Army also under his command. Montgomery proposed that other Allied forces "stop in place where they are," donating transports and other war stuffs to his expedition."
This paragraph is from pages 303-4 in my edition.

It is quoting from Montgomery's 18 September letter in reply to Eisenhower's directive of 16th September.

Eisenhower stated that the Allies would be soon in possession of the Ruhr, Saar and Frankfurt and "it is my desire to move onto Berlin by the most direct and expeditious route ... there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that we should concentrate all our energies and resources on a rapid thrust to Berlin".

Montgomery's objections were that multiple thrusts would be each so weak that they were unlikely to be successful and also included in his reply:

Quote:
If you consider that ... the proper axis of advance is by Frankfurt and central Germany, then I suggest that 12 Army Group of 3 Armies would be used and would have all the maintenance. 21 Army Group would do the best it could with what was left over; or possibly the Second British Army would be wanted in a secondary role on the left flank of the movement.
Montgomery was trying to get Eisenhower to commit a strong single thrust, EITHER north or south of the Ardennes, rather than a broad front. He was not trying to insist that it had to be a single thrust under his command.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruitt View Post
Montgomery did not have enough British and Commonwealth divisions under his command, or getting enough supply through his ports to fund his plans. He also had a Polish division and a Brigade from Czechoslavakia, the Netherlands and Belgium.
He had enough supplies for his Army Group, which he did not consider strong enough for a single thrust (and in any case the Canadian Army was tied up opening ports).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruitt View Post
The Channel Ports in British hands have been suggested in another post in these forums to have supplied the British 21st Army Group adequately, yet Montgomery was always trying to get much of the American supply? Montgomery seems to contradict this.
Yes, the Channel ports were sufficient for the 21st Army Group.

The supply allocation issue is mainly about allocation of supplies within 12th Army Group ie between 1st and 3rd Armies or between the northern thrust and the southern thrust. It is not about Montgomery trying to get US supplies (apart from some support for US units in the Arnhem operation).

Eisenhower ordered Bradley to give priority of supply to US 1st Army, but Bradley split supplies equally. Montgomery found about this and Eisenhower tried to explain it away - "[Bradley] issued a directive on September 10 that on the surface did not conform clearly to this conception of making our principal drive with our left".
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 25 Sep 17, 15:33
Merkava188's Avatar
Merkava188 Merkava188 is offline
Major
United_States
5 Year Service Ribbon Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Doug Williams
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Sierra Vista
Posts: 920
Merkava188 is on the path to success [1-99] Merkava188 is on the path to success [1-99] Merkava188 is on the path to success [1-99]
With Antwerp in Allied hands the Allies supply lines would have been shortened considerably. Lets not forget the Allies had to truck most of their in from Normandy witch 400miles away from the Belgian-Dutch border.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 25 Sep 17, 17:48
Pruitt's Avatar
Pruitt Pruitt is online now
ACG Forums - General Staff
France
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign 
Summer Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Richard Pruitt
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sulphur, LA
Posts: 26,977
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
The British also found out that a lot of their Cargo trucks had defective pistons. Not only did this affect the 1400 three ton trucks they sent to the continent, it also affected the replacement engines. Because of the manpower squeeze, the British did not have enough Drivers to man the trucks. This is why Montgomery was so insistent on switching American Quartermaster transport to bringing HIS supplies. Too bad it was not suggested that he find the drivers in the RAF or Royal Navy?

The British sent Lend Lease to the Soviets and I wonder how many three ton trucks were sent there?

Pruitt
__________________
Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 26 Sep 17, 03:03
Aber's Avatar
Aber Aber is offline
Major General
Wales
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Aberystwyth
Posts: 2,968
Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merkava188 View Post
With Antwerp in Allied hands the Allies supply lines would have been shortened considerably. Lets not forget the Allies had to truck most of their in from Normandy witch 400miles away from the Belgian-Dutch border.
The main problem is that Antwerp cannot be opened quickly.

The Scheldt was mined in June. The mines cannot be cleared until the coastal batteries north and south have been captured, and minesweeping took 3 weeks in OTL.

The key on the north bank is Walcheren Island, an Atlantic Wall fortress with a dedicated garrison and heavy guns. FAAA refused to carry out an airborne assault. The vessels for an amphibious assault were involved in clearing Le Havre and needed to be refitted before being used again. Therefore capturing it will probably take as a minimum a number of weeks, given the need to force crossings of multiple waterways.

The Germans also needed to driven out of artillery range of the port, which mean clearing at least to the Maas or the Lower Rhine ie capturing Nijmegen.

The British supply lines were being rebased to the Channel ports - particularly Dieppe which was captured undamaged and Boulogne - and did not need Antwerp.

The US were switching from Normandy to Le Havre, but full use of Antwerp would also need restoration of Belgian railways, which had been severely damaged by the pre-invasion Transportation Plan.

The US also had other supply-related issues; artillery ammunition had been rationed since IIRC mid-June, and Washington had never allowed the ETO the number of transport companies they requested.

Last edited by Aber; 26 Sep 17 at 03:23..
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #41  
Old 26 Sep 17, 03:39
Aber's Avatar
Aber Aber is offline
Major General
Wales
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Aberystwyth
Posts: 2,968
Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200] Aber is walking in the light [200]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruitt View Post
The British also found out that a lot of their Cargo trucks had defective pistons. Not only did this affect the 1400 three ton trucks they sent to the continent, it also affected the replacement engines. Because of the manpower squeeze, the British did not have enough Drivers to man the trucks. This is why Montgomery was so insistent on switching American Quartermaster transport to bringing HIS supplies. Too bad it was not suggested that he find the drivers in the RAF or Royal Navy?
The British did not have a shortage of trucks - they had thousands in reserve. Someone on another forum has looked at war diaries of transport units to see how serious the issue was and found little evidence of any impact. The problem was certain makes of 4-wheel drive trucks whose valves became clogged using a certain standard of fuel. However there enough spare vehicles that it was not a limiting factor.

The use of US transport in the Red Lion express was partly due to the need to supply 2 US Divisions during Market Garden with ammunition and other supplies that could not be met from British sources.

The British had also lent transport companies to the US during August and had difficulty in getting them back.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 26 Sep 17, 21:17
Toomtabard's Avatar
Toomtabard Toomtabard is offline
Sergeant Major
Scotland
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Kirkcaldy
Posts: 350
Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99]
Thanks for the many interesting and informative posts on this thread.
Just after the war there was a conspiracy theory which gained traction that a member of the Dutch resistance nicknamed 'KING KONG' on accouint of his size betrayed the detials pf the Arnhem operation to the Germans who were thus awaiting the drops of paras at many points.
American actor Victor Mature played this guy in a Hollywood movie. which lent autherticity to this claim.
However, I am sure that further post war research has rendered this claim as apochraphyl?
Also, the role of te Poles tends to be ignored . I know that even after watching ''A BRIDGE TO FAR IN 1977 and reading Cornelius Ryan's book of identical title in the 1970's I was unaware hat the bulk of the Polish paras who took part in the Arnhem operation were based first in the small Scottish coastal town of Leven in Fife prior to being taken south to carrry out their part in 'MARKET GARDEN''.
I iscovered this quite accidentally when I saw a war memorial in a small park in Leven which, upon closer examination, revealed that it commemorated all thos Polish paras who had taken part in MARKET GARDEN' and lost their lives after being stationed at Leven until 1944.
Ironically, 'LEVEN' is I believe,, The Dutch word for 'life''
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 26 Sep 17, 22:03
Pruitt's Avatar
Pruitt Pruitt is online now
ACG Forums - General Staff
France
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign 
Summer Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Richard Pruitt
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sulphur, LA
Posts: 26,977
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aber View Post
The British did not have a shortage of trucks - they had thousands in reserve. Someone on another forum has looked at war diaries of transport units to see how serious the issue was and found little evidence of any impact. The problem was certain makes of 4-wheel drive trucks whose valves became clogged using a certain standard of fuel. However there enough spare vehicles that it was not a limiting factor.

The use of US transport in the Red Lion express was partly due to the need to supply 2 US Divisions during Market Garden with ammunition and other supplies that could not be met from British sources.

The British had also lent transport companies to the US during August and had difficulty in getting them back.
Aber I have a book by a respected author saying that the British shipped 1400 three ton trucks to Normandy where they were found to have faulty pistons. On examination the replacement engines had the same faulty piston.

Why would Montgomery be constantly whining that the American Army should stop where it was and transfer its trucks and supplies to his offense? He did not have that many American divisions seconded to him to need this much transport.

Why would the British ship unnecessary vehicles to France if they already had enough trucks and drivers already there? Could you please share where you got this information? If you can find a link that would be helpful?

Pruitt
__________________
Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 26 Sep 17, 22:38
Marmat's Avatar
Marmat Marmat is online now
Brigadier General
Canada
Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Denis
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Marmora, where else?
Posts: 2,495
Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700] Marmat is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Pru, ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruitt View Post
Aber I have a book by a respected author saying that the British shipped 1400 three ton trucks to Normandy where they were found to have faulty pistons. On examination the replacement engines had the same faulty piston.

Why would Montgomery be constantly whining that the American Army should stop where it was and transfer its trucks and supplies to his offense? He did not have that many American divisions seconded to him to need this much transport.

Why would the British ship unnecessary vehicles to France if they already had enough trucks and drivers already there? Could you please share where you got this information? If you can find a link that would be helpful?

Pruitt
...that quote about 1400 Bedford trucks having faulty pistons, or problems caused by the usage of higher octane fuel than called for etc. is ubiquitous in various forms; I've found it in Atkinson, Ryan, and way back to Wilmot; no doubt it's in many works in between. The actual source, not often given proper accreditation, is "The administrative history of the operations of 21st Army Group on the continent of Europe, 6 June 1944-8 May 1945". There's a proviso that's usually left out, it goes something like:

"During early September, some 1,400 British trucks were found to have defective pistons; how many of these trucks were "non-runners" on any specific day is not clear, nor is the time span of the problem.", this is from a PhD Thesis by Roger Cirillo, "The MARKET GARDEN Campaign: Allied Operational Command in Northwest Europe, 1944"

So ultimately there's an issue, seldom explained, and no evidence for the actual severity of issue.
__________________
"I am Groot"
- Groot

Last edited by Marmat; 26 Sep 17 at 22:44..
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 26 Sep 17, 22:57
Pruitt's Avatar
Pruitt Pruitt is online now
ACG Forums - General Staff
France
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign 
Summer Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
 
Real Name: Richard Pruitt
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sulphur, LA
Posts: 26,977
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Pruitt has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
I would still like to hear why Montgomery kept wanting American Truck Companies and Supplies. In Market Garden he had two American Airborne Divisions and they were mostly resupplied by air drops. Why would he want Patton's 3rd Army stopped and where would the trucks and supplies end up? This does not make sense to me. Eisenhower gave Montgomery what he asked for to do Market Garden.

What Montgomery did not know was Patton had captured a significant amount of German fuel and supplies at this time. He also used captured German Artillery and shells in his own bombardments. Patton was not going to tell anyone either!

The British Army and Commonwealth forces were declining in numbers due to a lack of replacements. Two Combat divisions were stood down in 1944. That tells me the British 2nd Army should be using less supplies.

Pruitt
__________________
Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Please bookmark this thread if you enjoyed it!


Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 17:21.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.