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The 1947 border line essentially returned the eastern Polish border to that which it had been following the peace treaties ending WWI (Curzon line).
Strictly speaking there was no legal and recognized border when Poland proclaimed independence in 1918 (Curzon line was never such a thing). And where this border should be - Poland and her neighbors had widely different views.
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Strictly, Poland had ceased to exist over 100 years before 1918.. IF, repeat IF Germany, Austria had won the war (WWI) and Russian wasn't ravaged in revolution Poland would be a country from history such as the Romans
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Strictly speaking there was no legal and recognized border when Poland proclaimed independence in 1918 (Curzon line was never such a thing). And where this border should be - Poland and her neighbors had widely different views.
There was a border legally recognized in the treaty of Versailles and based on the Curzon Committee's recommendations but on the declaration of this the Polish government reacted violently. It demanded all territory that had been Polish prior to the partition of 1772, even though most of the residents in these lands were ethnic Belorussians or Ukrainians. Then it went on to claim newly independent Lithuania's ancient capital, Vilnius, and Czechoslovakia's Teschen region on ethnic grounds, even though the latter had never been part of Poland. Poland's leaders were, moreover, ready and eager to use force in support of this inconsistent, neo-imperialist policy. War with Soviet Russia, Lithuania, and Czechoslovakia quickly followed.
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Gotta love the Polish sense of humor.
I mean, they chuck this out there, and people take it so seriously that they lost the whole point on the way to the Lawyers office!

Wow... the point just went sailing right over everyone's heads, didn't it?
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Gotta love the Polish sense of humor.
I mean, they chuck this out there, and people take it so seriously that they lost the whole point on the way to the Lawyers office!

Wow... the point just went sailing right over everyone's heads, didn't it?
Of course I'm sure your pointed head got the point Donald.
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There was a border legally recognized in the treaty of Versailles
Treaty of Versailles said that Poland's eastern border "will be subsequently determined by the Principal Allied and Associated Powers":
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Treat...III#Article_87
Curzon line was proposed as such but wasn't really legally recognized.
But that's, purely theoretical discussion since chances of Poland's border change are nearly zero. And chances of getting reparations are the same.
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Germany should teach those uppity Poles a lesson.
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Treaty of Versailles said that Poland's eastern border "will be subsequently determined by the Principal Allied and Associated Powers":
And the Principal Allied and Associated Powers meeting in Spa in 1920 used the Curzon proposal as the basis of the border to which the Polish prime minister, Władysław Grabski, agreed on 10 July 1920.

Due to the intransigence of the Soviet Union the actual border was pushed back but that's another issue - the legal border was more or less the Curzon line.
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Germany should teach those uppity Poles a lesson.
On this one i even have to take side of the Poles. They enact this whole scene because the EU threatens sanctions if they dont take asylum demanders in, so i understand their reflex to counter with such claims. Tough i still think Poles should finally leave eastern Germany and go home.
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Friction creates warmth - maybe we should abolish Poland altogether so that Russia and Germany can lie closer together ?
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Friction creates warmth - maybe we should abolish Poland altogether so that Russia and Germany can lie closer together ?
I think Frederick II of Prussia, Catherine II of Russia and Maria Theresa of Austria said something very similar in 1772
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You note he didn't ask Russia for reparations... I guess being a total bad@$$ has it's advantages after all...
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On this one i even have to take side of the Poles. They enact this whole scene because the EU threatens sanctions if they dont take asylum demanders in, so i understand their reflex to counter with such claims. Tough i still think Poles should finally leave eastern Germany and go home.
Yes, amazing how many people missed that. EU threatens sanctions if Poland doesn't take refugees. Poland says the Nazis, cough, Germans, should pay reparations. Lol, I'm definitely on the Pole's side.
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