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Vietnam Era versus Veteran

I love my father, but something he does has my conscience in conflict. I don't know what the official term or definition is, but he calls himself a "Vietnam Era Veteran". He was in the Army during the Vietnam era, but did not serve in Vietnam or serve in a job directly affecting the Vietnam conflict.

While he calls himself an "era" veteran, he will do things like post quotes on his Facebook relating to "If you ran through the jungles of Hell, give me a Hell yes" with a Vietnam picture. He wears a hat or shirt stating US Army Vietnam Veteran. When someone asks him if he served, he will say US Army 1970 Vietnam.

I personally have no military service under my belt, but my heart & soul tell me this is wrong. I feel my father-in-law feels the same. Now he was a Green Beret & was directly in the heart of it. When the two start discussing the Army, her family will suddenly "have to leave".

I love my father & I don't think he is trying to lie, but I wonder if there is some small print somewhere stating he is an "era" veteran & he is taking it far too literally.

I would prefer fact print versus opinion. Can someone tell me if this is a true rule being exercised correctly or is he far over-stating his rights?

Thanks.
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It could be he's regretting not having been in-country?
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..I would prefer fact print versus opinion..
I haven't seen any printed rule about it so I'll have to toss my own opinion into the playpen for what it's worth, namely I should imagine that in legal terms, bragging is only a no-no only if it's done to try to con people out of money or whatever.
But in the case of your dad it's just harmless line-shooting so I wouldn't read too much into it, it's not as if he's going around saying straight out he was an in-country Nam combat vet..
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Nam era and Nam vet. The first doesn't mean shhit. No disgrace but nothing to pound his chest about. From him calling himself a Nam vet, I got a size 12 for his ass. That is what today is called stolen valor.

You seem to have much more character than your father.
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I think we've all met line-shooters sometime in our lives (especially in internet forums) claiming to be something they're not.
They're easy to spot because if we start probing them about details of their military service, they usually avoid the question, and if they try to bluff
it out we can easily trip them up for fun.
The same applies to military authors of allegedly "true" books or articles because sooner or later we'll pick up on the fact that they're making it up as they go along..
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I think we've all met line-shooters sometime in our lives (especially in internet forums) claiming to be something they're not.
They're easy to spot because if we start probing them about details of their military service, they usually avoid the question, and if they try to bluff
it out we can easily trip them up for fun.
The same applies to military authors of allegedly "true" books or articles because sooner or later we'll pick up on the fact that they're making it up as they go along..
We have at least one here at ACG.
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We have at least one here at ACG.
Only one?
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Only one?
Ok, I was excepting your word.

Adding you we have two.
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The company I worked for in the early 80s used the term "Vietnam Era Veteran", I always wondered what that was supposed to mean, but it always stuck in my craw every time I heard that expression.
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It is not the fault of the individuals that served during the Vietnam era if they never went to the place. I have a cousin that did four years in this period that spent most of it in Ethiopia! If you signed a contract that kept you away, you were just gaming the system. I volunteered after the era and never got out of basic. At least I volunteered.

I would never try to claim I was a Vietnam Vet. It would be disrespectful of the guys that went. They paid the price.

One of my neighbors down the street had a cousin that I met. He spent his entire tour in Saigon as a Dental Assistant on a hospital ship! The Armed Services then were huge and not everyone went to the RVN.

The funny thing is I got a certificate in the mail from Gerald Ford saluting me as a Veteran! Maybe it was the result of all those times he fell down? It would be nice for the family to get a flag when I die, but only to me.

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I think we've all met line-shooters sometime in our lives (especially in internet forums) claiming to be something they're not.
They're easy to spot because if we start probing them about details of their military service, they usually avoid the question, and if they try to bluff
it out we can easily trip them up for fun.
The same applies to military authors of allegedly "true" books or articles because sooner or later we'll pick up on the fact that they're making it up as they go along..
I suppose it all boils down to Dr Samuel Johnson's
" Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier,or not having been to sea"
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I love my father, but something he does has my conscience in conflict. I don't know what the official term or definition is, but he calls himself a "Vietnam Era Veteran". He was in the Army during the Vietnam era, but did not serve in Vietnam or serve in a job directly affecting the Vietnam conflict.

While he calls himself an "era" veteran, he will do things like post quotes on his Facebook relating to "If you ran through the jungles of Hell, give me a Hell yes" with a Vietnam picture. He wears a hat or shirt stating US Army Vietnam Veteran. When someone asks him if he served, he will say US Army 1970 Vietnam.

I personally have no military service under my belt, but my heart & soul tell me this is wrong. I feel my father-in-law feels the same. Now he was a Green Beret & was directly in the heart of it. When the two start discussing the Army, her family will suddenly "have to leave".

I love my father & I don't think he is trying to lie, but I wonder if there is some small print somewhere stating he is an "era" veteran & he is taking it far too literally.

I would prefer fact print versus opinion. Can someone tell me if this is a true rule being exercised correctly or is he far over-stating his rights?

Thanks.
he is overstating himself. Vietnam era and Vietnam vet are leagues apart...
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My father was in the Air Force from '61-'64 and he just refers to himself as an AF vet, but never says that he was a Vietnam Vet. In fact he only learned about a month ago that because he served in the "Vietnam War Era" he is eligible to join the American Legion (which he did at a Vietnam vet buddy's urging). He did volunteer to go to Vietnam, but he was a radar technician on experimental radar (An/FPS-35) so his CO said "Nope, not gonna happen." So his "war stories" center around the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the jaunt to the only "hangout" in town (the local Dairy Queen). Joined the Air Force to see the world, but saw nothing but the middle of nowhere Alabama.

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It is not the fault of the individuals that served during the Vietnam era if they never went to the place. I have a cousin that did four years in this period that spent most of it in Ethiopia! If you signed a contract that kept you away, you were just gaming the system. I volunteered after the era and never got out of basic. At least I volunteered.

I would never try to claim I was a Vietnam Vet. It would be disrespectful of the guys that went. They paid the price.

One of my neighbors down the street had a cousin that I met. He spent his entire tour in Saigon as a Dental Assistant on a hospital ship! The Armed Services then were huge and not everyone went to the RVN.

The funny thing is I got a certificate in the mail from Gerald Ford saluting me as a Veteran! Maybe it was the result of all those times he fell down? It would be nice for the family to get a flag when I die, but only to me.

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Yet there was a genuine recruitment ad that encouraged young guys to do just that. I came across this ad in a 1968 Life magazine archive.





https://books.google.com.au/books?id...page&q&f=false

17th May 1968 Page 20

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The only excuse that I think of, is if all US soldiers - no matter where they had served - encountered the same hostile treatment from the US civilian population. Calling them "baby killers" and all that stuff (quite daft and detestable concerning that directed to their own country's servicemen, IMO). If so, may be one can call himself an "Era" veteran. Perhaps.

I, for my side of the Iron Curtain, as many of my friends, had served in the Soviet Army during the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan. None of us had been in this country and neither me nor my friends' minds ever crossed idea to call ourselves an "Afghanistan Era Veteran". I think if anyone would, he would certainly be laughed at.
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