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The European Unionís highest court dismissed complaints on Wednesday by Slovakia and Hungary about EU migration policy, upholding Brusselsí right to force member states to take in asylum seekers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...KCN1BG35V?il=0

I think this would allow the EU Commission to start cutting their structural funds if they don't take their quotas. There isn't much they can do except threaten to leave. Which I doubt they would. Slovakia and Czech Rep. already seem to be splitting the Visegrad 4 by adopting a pro-EU stance.
In others words Poland and Hungary which allocated zero immigrant coming from Italy and Slovakia which has done little for a year should gain from Italy paid budget but let her alone on immigration issue.

Either solidarity works both way or it don't work at all. If one defend 'Polandish' position he has to explain why Italy should pay for those countries.
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They're going to have to enforce it not only against the will of the Hungarian government, but also against the will of the Hungarian people - over 70% of whom support the government maintaining opposition to the quotas.
Which percentage oppose EU funds ?
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No it doesn't, perhaps your should read the rest of the thread.
Which summarize this thread quite well. Heavy on wild assumptions,
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I wonder if these 2 countries after this are considering leaving the EU?
I doubt it
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How many of these potential terrorists are the EU trying to force on Poland?
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It's all quite well detailed here, annex 3.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/si...annex_3_en.pdf

Full report here,

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/si...tlement_en.pdf

Zero migrants have been relocated from Italy and Greece to Poland.

Belgium for example took in 551.

It's not like the EU can physically move them, they can just bugger the various nation states until they do so..
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How many of these potential terrorists are the EU trying to force on Poland?
None. EU is made of Members States including Poland. This issue never was between EU and Poland but between Members States and Poland.
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In others words Poland and Hungary which allocated zero immigrant coming from Italy and Slovakia which has done little for a year should gain from Italy paid budget but let her alone on immigration issue.

Either solidarity works both way or it don't work at all. If one defend 'Polandish' position he has to explain why Italy should pay for those countries.
The question is would the EU simply subtract (from the EU funds allocated to Poland/Hungary) the cost of keeping in Italy and Greece the migrants allocated to Poland/Hungary, or would it go further and also impose some kind of heavier fine/punishment?

If we're only talking about the former, then I doubt it's a big deal and the EU stick is very small. A few 1,000s people can't add up to more than a few million euros a year (possibly exaggerated too). Subtracting only this from their EU funds wouldn't be prohibitive and would in fact encourage others to follow suit.

The "pay them where they are instead of having them here" idea, but within the EU.
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The question is would the EU simply subtract (from the EU funds allocated to Poland/Hungary) the cost of keeping in Italy and Greece the migrants allocated to Poland/Hungary, or would it go further and also impose some kind of heavier fine/punishment?
And that's what I figured was the subject of the case before the EU court, it turns out it wasn't so I imagine the issue is still hanging.

Italy at least is a net contributor though, so they could easily demand a reduction of their contribution claiming an obvious lack of solidarity from the Easterners, this combined with Brexit could easily lead to an overall reduction of development support towards the East.

I imagine such a "disconnection" of both issues would be an obvious negotiating tactic, rather then implementing a financial "punishment" for failure to meet the quota, as such, which may very well be illegal according to statutes.
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What happens if Poland just ignores the EU court and refuses to allow the refugees in?
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Zero migrants have been relocated from Italy and Greece to Poland.
Belgium for example took in 551.
Good for Belgium.
Feel free to take more.
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What happens if Poland just ignores the EU court and refuses to allow the refugees in?
I would hazard to believe that the EU bark is worse than its bite. If it were to actually impose prohibitive fines on Poland and Hungary it would strengthen the domestic support for their respective governments and only increase anti-Brussels sentiment in these countries.
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Good for Belgium.
Feel free to take more.
Problem with that is that they can travel from Belgium and carry out attacks in the rest of Europe. They need to be placed in secure camps in the first country they land in and then repatriated as soon as possible. Not just passed around.
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Yes well I don't think you get to command from the Uk what "needs" to happen in Italy, so some method of cooperation will have to be found.

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551 is all we need for now
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I would hazard to believe that the EU bark is worse than its bite. If it were to actually impose prohibitive fines on Poland and Hungary it would strengthen the domestic support for their respective governments and only increase anti-Brussels sentiment in these countries.
That's my thought. That was always Britian's problem. Eventually we would always back down and the EU knew and took advantage of this. The result was Brexit. If however you dig your heals in and just say no there is little the EU can really do.
Actually if the EU were seen to back down occasionally it may make it less unpopular.
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