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Hungary, Slovakia lose anti-immigration case at European Court

The European Union’s highest court dismissed complaints on Wednesday by Slovakia and Hungary about EU migration policy, upholding Brussels’ right to force member states to take in asylum seekers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...KCN1BG35V?il=0

I think this would allow the EU Commission to start cutting their structural funds if they don't take their quotas. There isn't much they can do except threaten to leave. Which I doubt they would. Slovakia and Czech Rep. already seem to be splitting the Visegrad 4 by adopting a pro-EU stance.
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“The court dismisses the actions brought by Slovakia and Hungary against the provisional mechanism for the mandatory relocation of asylum seekers,” the Luxembourg-based court said, adding it rejected the complaints “in their entirety”.
This doe not seem to correspond with the article title.

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EU court says Eastern states cannot refuse to take refugees.
It appears the court has dismissed claims of said countries which would indicate they can refuse to take in refugees but the EU can in turn implement financial measures to compensate if they do.

A not unimportant nuance imho.

Any chance of seeing the actual ruling and the original action put before the court ?
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This doe not seem to correspond with the article title.
I don't see why not.

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It appears the court has dismissed claims of said countries which would indicate they can refuse to take in refugees but the EU can in turn implement financial measures to compensate if they do.

A not unimportant nuance imho.
I didn't get that from the article. But it may be possible.
But like I said, if they refuse they get their EU funds cut.

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Any chance of seeing the actual ruling and the original action put before the court ?
Maybe on the European Court of Justice's website (if they published it).
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I don't see why not.
Well - I suspect they can still refuse to take them, which contradicts the article title.

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Maybe on the European Court of Justice's website (if they published it).
They always do, in several languages, one of the things I like about the EU

It often takes some effort to find the correct text though, I may try later.
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That's going to be an interesting trade off for voters. More Islam, with associated rapes and mass murders that go with it, or less cash.
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They're going to have to enforce it not only against the will of the Hungarian government, but also against the will of the Hungarian people - over 70% of whom support the government maintaining opposition to the quotas.
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That's going to be an interesting trade off for voters. More Islam, with associated rapes and mass murders that go with it, or less cash.
Speaking of "cash", what form does it come in? What strings are attached to this very extreme form of bribery?
Who gets to cash the check?
Where does this money come from, anyway? More letters of credit from the World Bank?

Maybe it's time for an "Other World" Bank.
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Speaking of "cash", what form does it come in? What strings are attached to this very extreme form of bribery?
Who gets to cash the check?
Where does this money come from, anyway? More letters of credit from the World Bank?

Maybe it's time for an "Other World" Bank.
I'm not 100% sure but the eastern euro nations are net beneficiaries of the EU budget. Simplistically, Western Europeans are taxed to fund development in the East. I suppose the EU could threaten to withhold some of the budget.

If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by, the EU will take a ruthless approach, trying to find a weakness and pressure point, not one of negotiating with friendly brothers.

Who would have thought it, all those superb economy boosting migrants and Germany wants to share the love.
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This is how the funds are currently allocated for 2014-2020:



But the funds are not absorbed in their entirety, these are the absorption rates for 2007-2013:



Poland and Hungary have pretty high rates compared to other E.Europe members. A decision to cut their funds would definitely impact them in some way (depending on how big of a cut).

EDIT - Actually I think that pic may be for the 2013 absorption rate only. This is apparently the rate for the 2007-2013 (anyway, the point is it varies and some absorb more than others):

https://en.irefeurope.org/doc1209

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Interesting, Romania seems better able to put that crack-pipe down than anyone else.
Good for them!

I wonder what makes that one Govt so much wiser than the rest of them...
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Good for them!

I wonder what makes that one Govt so much wiser than the rest of them...
If you look at the actual amounts, it suggests itself that the Romanian government struggles to spend a higher percentage, because it relatively gets rather a lot of money to spend... If you think this is a vice of some kind.
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Interesting, Romania seems better able to put that crack-pipe down than anyone else.
Good for them!

I wonder what makes that one Govt so much wiser than the rest of them...
As you might expect of a technocratic organisation, EU funding comes with a lot of rules. If you don't understand or play by the complex funding rules, the cash may be difficult to access, or it could be clawed back and my guess is that is what is happening here. You need a good team of accountants and managers to make the most of EU funding.
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The most prevalent theories for that here are:

1. Politicians are reluctant to absorb EU funds because they can't really do what they want if they file for EU funds (stricter rules regarding tenders, transparency required etc).

So if a mayor for instance has an infrastructure project, he'll most likely use 100% his own city hall money and/or loans so he can award the contract to a local company (in return for a 10% kickback let's say; or because he is old friends with the company owner or the latter contributed to his campaign; or because he just favours local companies over foreign ones) instead of filing for EU funds to cover 50-70% of the project's cost.

2. The EU doesn't really want us to absorb too much, since Romania and Bulgaria are the red-headed stepchildren of the Union, so our politicians could do more but Brussels is telling them not to. (theory most prevalent among those who strongly dislike the EU)
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I'm not 100% sure but the eastern euro nations are net beneficiaries of the EU budget. Simplistically, Western Europeans are taxed to fund development in the East. I suppose the EU could threaten to withhold some of the budget.
It's a bit too simplistic view though. Compare for example price of agricultural products, which tend to be almost the same price all over Europe. They might fund development in the East but at the same time make sure the West stays ahead.
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Speaking of "cash", what form does it come in? What strings are attached to this very extreme form of bribery?
Who gets to cash the check?
Where does this money come from, anyway? More letters of credit from the World Bank?

Maybe it's time for an "Other World" Bank.
Luckily for us all the EU keeps very good records of all this

In Hungary for example,


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...Currently over 95 % of all public investments in Hungary are co-financed by the EU. The EU invests heavily in Hungary’s regions, with projects such as the modernisation of water systems in many cities or the new M43 motorway going all the way to Romania.
http://ec.europa.eu/budget/mycountry...x_en.cfm#cinfo

It would be interesting to see how the Orban government would keep an air of socialism and thus the current level of popularity without a big bag of EU money to spend each year.
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