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RAF opens all roles to women

The RAF has become the first branch of the British Armed Forces to allow women into all its roles, after the lifting of a ban on recruiting females for ground close combat.

From Friday, the RAF Regiment – the air force’s ground fighting force for protecting air bases – will start accepting applications from women wanting to join the unit.

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Culturally the RAF are the best suited to including women, though there are still some extremely traditional values held by the older NCOs in particular and it probably won't be easy for them. Easier for the women than for gays though I expect.

The rocks have deployed to places like Afghanistan, so it is quite possible the women will see some combat at some point.
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We had a couple of gals who made it into the elite SEAL training program. One of them tapped out after one week.


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The rocks are not an elite regiment. They won't attract the same people as the Paras or the Royal Marines and won't get the same missions, which is not to say they will not be in harms way, such as deploying to a downed aircraft.

The challenge the women will face is a lot of scrutiny, as in your SEALS example.
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Well that's something. Does the Red Arrows have any plans to have any female pilots or ground crews in their ranks?
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The rocks are not an elite regiment. They won't attract the same people as the Paras or the Royal Marines and won't get the same missions, which is not to say they will not be in harms way, such as deploying to a downed aircraft.

The challenge the women will face is a lot of scrutiny, as in your SEALS example.
In the past they have taken on some quite serious combat roles in pre war Iraq for example (and during WW2 in Iraq when they took on an army led by Saddam's dad). In the Far East they actually formed commando style units, for the planned invasions of Malaya and Japan,whose instructions were to penetrate inland and take and hold airstrips "until relieved"- my uncle was a Flt Sergeant in one of these and mightily glad when the A bomb was dropped. In more recent times their standards have dropped (they offered me a commission for example but I chose to take up a university place instead - probably a good thing for both sides of what might have been the Queen's bad bargain).
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Well that's something. Does the Red Arrows have any plans to have any female pilots or ground crews in their ranks?
The dead sparrers have several female engineers on the team, but no female pilots...

https://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/supportt...management.cfm

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In the past they have taken on some quite serious combat roles in pre war Iraq for example (and during WW2 in Iraq when they took on an army led by Saddam's dad). In the Far East they actually formed commando style units, for the planned invasions of Malaya and Japan,whose instructions were to penetrate inland and take and hold airstrips "until relieved"- my uncle was a Flt Sergeant in one of these and mightily glad when the A bomb was dropped. In more recent times their standards have dropped (they offered me a commission for example but I chose to take up a university place instead - probably a good thing for both sides of what might have been the Queen's bad bargain).
Taking and holding ground against superior numbers of fanatics must be about as tough as it gets. The rocks did go out to the Nimrod that went down in Afghanistan and had to secure the site against a hostile crowd of locals. Not quite the same thing as your WWII example but no mean feat.
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I see the issues with females in this sort of combat role to be societal/cultural only. As long as they can meet the standard, then stuff like security isn't that big of a deal.

My line is drawn with the line infantry and further. Biologically there are some concerns that women have that men just don't have to deal with. These concerns do create logistical and even medical issues for female troops deployed in the field for extended periods where they might not have time due to combat or other essential duties to address these concerns properly.
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I see a problem with women in combat roles. When it was learned Jessica Lynch had been captured, the brass went a little crazy trying to get her back before she was "dishonored". Well the Iraqis did dishonor her, and the rescue troops had a hard time getting to her. You can't get away with having two standards for your front line combat troops.

You can get away with women flying support aircraft, but do we have to go through a Chinese Fire Drill every time a woman gets captured? Was there a problem finding enough men to fill the British vacancies?

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The Canadian Forces allowed women in combat roles years ago and had the dubious honour of having a "first woman to die in combat" many years ago while leading her unit

At one time in a "weird" outfit I belonged to we had woman shooters, jumpers, pilots, intel people,mechanics, and all trades required to go any where, any time.....and the girls were good......since then ( eons ago) the outfit has been merged with a bigger group but the girls are still there....
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When I first ran an IT department years ago I inherited a rather shy petite Jewish girl as an analyst programmer. I was rather worried about sending her to work on remote sites - I need not have been so old fashioned. When some one did try something on it turned out she had served in the Israeli army and was an unarmed combat specialist. His fracture did heal eventually. Pruitt I've never heard such old fashioned twaddle.
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