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Old 08 Oct 17, 11:41
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Part of Brazil voting on secession

The bottom of Brazil is asked to vote on floating away. Is the world moving to balkanisation?
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Voters in the south of Brazil have been asked in an informal vote whether they want to be part of a new country.
The referendum was organised a week after a similar vote in Catalonia by a secessionist movement called "The South Is My Country".
The movement said it set up polls in more than 1,000 municipalities across the states of Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina and Paraná.
The group's leader, Celso Deucher, says he hopes to gather three million votes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-41541063
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Is the world moving to balkanisation?
Is it balkanization or something else? I think nation-states are starting to die off; courtesy of globalisation and so. The end result is not necessarily a more fragmented world...it all depends on how the pieces fit the new puzzle.
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Is it balkanization or something else? I think nation-states are starting to die off; courtesy of globalisation and so. The end result is not necessarily a more fragmented world...it all depends on how the pieces fit the new puzzle.
The new pieces seem to be smaller nation states!

Czech Republic
Slovakia
Bosnia
Macedonia
Serbia
Slovenia
Croatia
Kosovo

and now possibly

Catalonia
Silesia
South Brazil

and maybe

Scotland
Kurdistan
Aland
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The new pieces seem to be smaller nation states!

Czech Republic
Slovakia
Bosnia
Macedonia
Serbia
Slovenia
Croatia
Kosovo

and now possibly

Catalonia
Silesia
South Brazil

and maybe

Scotland
Kurdistan
Aland
Perhaps, but that does not necessarily equate to a more fragmented/balkanized world. Remember that the HRE was once built of a thousands or so smaller entities; who knows if city states will return?

In other worlds perhaps this is the death of centralization is a new global world.
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Perhaps, but that does not necessarily equate to a more fragmented/balkanized world. Remember that the HRE was once built of a thousands or so smaller entities; who knows if city states will return?

In other worlds perhaps this is the death of centralization is a new global world.
The Landeshoheit were never fully sovereign states
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The Landeshoheit were never fully sovereign states
Nope, but a system far different from today. We'll see what this secession business leads to; certainly there's lots of people thinking it...though doesn't seem to be from very nationalistic reasons.
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The Landeshoheit were never fully sovereign states
Hannover, Bavaria, Saxony etc were all de facto states in the c18th.
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Hannover, Bavaria, Saxony etc were all de facto states in the c18th.
And they were not HRH Landeshoheit at that time having become independent states with the treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
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