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Not too long ago (late 2015/early 2016), we had a whole campaign over this.
It was entitled, "Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft":

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=393

We started with no less than 128 aircraft types.
The membership voted for the DC-3/C-47 ("Dakota") by a substantial margin.
Its opponent in the Final was the Lockheed C-130 "Hercules".
66 votes for the Dakota vs 25 for the Hercules.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=169074

Case closed.
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Not too long ago (late 2015/early 2016), we had a whole campaign over this.
It was entitled, "Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft":

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=393

We started with no less than 128 aircraft types.
The membership voted for the DC-3/C-47 ("Dakota") by a substantial margin.
Its opponent in the Final was the Lockheed C-130 "Hercules".
Case closed.
I'm sure someone mentioned they were 'designed'/used for the same purposes---cargo--troop transport and gun platform...?
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Not too long ago (late 2015/early 2016), we had a whole campaign over this.
It was entitled, "Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft":

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=393

We started with no less than 128 aircraft types.
The membership voted for the DC-3/C-47 ("Dakota") by a substantial margin.
Its opponent in the Final was the Lockheed C-130 "Hercules".
Case closed.
NOPE! That list had multi-role
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NOPE! That list had multi-role
... and a massive part of the reason the DC-3/C-47 won, is that it was the most used and enduring, as well as being the most significant & influential multi-role platform.
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... and a massive part of the reason the DC-3/C-47 won, is that it was the most used and enduring, as well as being the most significant & influential multi-role platform.
Ahhh, just go away.
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... and a massive part of the reason the DC-3/C-47 won, is that it was the most used and enduring, as well as being the most significant & influential multi-role platform.
Of course one reason it endured was that there were so many of them which had a chilling effect on attempts to produce a replacement. War surplus C47s Dakotas etc etc were so numerous and relatively cheap that developing/buying an alternative made no economic sense even if the other type offered some improvements in performance, fuel economy etc etc.
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Of course one reason it endured was that there were so many of them which had a chilling effect on attempts to produce a replacement. War surplus C47s Dakotas etc etc were so numerous and relatively cheap that developing/buying an alternative made no economic sense even if the other type offered some improvements in performance, fuel economy etc etc.
Yes, that's true.
Workmanlike, reliable, rugged, proven and available in large numbers is a pretty good basis for longevity, I'd say.
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Of course one reason it endured was that there were so many of them which had a chilling effect on attempts to produce a replacement. War surplus C47s Dakotas etc etc were so numerous and relatively cheap that developing/buying an alternative made no economic sense even if the other type offered some improvements in performance, fuel economy etc etc.
Could say the same for DC-4 ...
Or the jeep, deuce and a half, victory ship, etc.
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Not too long ago (late 2015/early 2016), we had a whole campaign over this.
It was entitled, "Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft":

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=393

We started with no less than 128 aircraft types.
The membership voted for the DC-3/C-47 ("Dakota") by a substantial margin.
Its opponent in the Final was the Lockheed C-130 "Hercules".
66 votes for the Dakota vs 25 for the Hercules.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=169074

Case closed.
Yeah, I mentioned that and posted a link way back in post #8. It must be Groundhog Day around here...
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...but not ''many'' used now... very surprising to see these aircraft being used into the 21st century...thanks for the post--I didn't know about the 104
..I did build a model of it long ago....maybe because it was cheap, ....I don't recall making too many models of other jets
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I remember seeing a privately owned F104 at an airshow. I still remember the unusual engine sound.
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Got a bunch of jumps out of a Goony Bird......the tail wheel always bothered me.....Preferd the Herc CC130.....run off the ramp and turn to face the slip stream as you left.....this was free fall (MFP),,,,Dope ropers ( static line) went out the side doors

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Yes, that's true.
Workmanlike, reliable, rugged, proven and available in large numbers is a pretty good basis for longevity, I'd say.
Yup, that is how it went, and I voted that way too.

IIRC, if all the DC-3s suddenly vanished (unlikely) , the C-130 would have to go on for another 20 years, just to break even.
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P-80/T-33 has served longer than the Hunter and the Canberra. IIRC, the Bolivian Air Force still flies T-33s.

MiG-15? Did I read somewhere that North Korea still flies them?
Air Forces Monthly magazine mentioned that the Bolivian T-33 were taken out of service last July. Not sure any other air forces are still using the T-bird.

As for the MiG-15s, Jane's Defence Weekly (JDW) mentions that they were among the aircraft with MiG-29s, Su-25s, MiG-23s, MiG-21s and MiG-19s, taking part in an targeting exercise against an amphibious enemy last early June.

The JDW article (14 June 2017, p.10) also shows a small picture of An-2 "Colt" (a mid-40s era single engine transport biplane) shooting salvos of rockets at a target.

The An-2 may also be a candidate as a "most used, enduring military plane."
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Got a bunch of jumps out of a Goony Bird......the tail wheel always bothered me.....Preferd the Herc CC130.....run off the ramp and turn to face the slip stream as you left.....this was free fall (MFP),,,,Dope ropers ( static line) went out the side doors

Ah! to be a young stud again....
Well for me it was the Historic connection on the C-47's. My student jumps and initial Free Fall were all done hanging off the wing strut of a Cessna. We did run-offs from the back of an old Caribou, and some DH-5 Buffalo's for ramp stuff. That's where we brought our surf and snow boards.

I miss it now. Still get the adrenaline when I watch skydiving videos to this day.
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