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If you into that period, iicc, Allan Echert is the place to go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_...t#Bibliography

Start with That Dark and Bloody River or just about anyother of his books from that time. He is writing history in a style that it sometimes comes across as a first person report.
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If you into that period, iicc, Allan Echert is the place to go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_...t#Bibliography

Start with That Dark and Bloody River or just about anyother of his books from that time. He is writing history in a style that it sometimes comes across as a first person report.
that is a good one...big
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The Eire were destroyed before the whites arrived.
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Thus began the Beaver Wars and a series of devastating attacks on their neighbors.....Eries 1654-1656
Beaver Wars fought for exclusive trading with the whites, I presume ....
am I missing something?
were these residual Eries...from an earlier war?
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Impact of Finnish immigrants to USA is minimal, barely even worth mentioning. However, during the time swedes dominated us we got to burn down most of middle-Europe(30 years war and all), and I am sure we caused more than one headache to the samis as well. We were also to poor and insignificant to have black slaves, so white land-slavery it was!

Alt-right and other whitewashers are the crybabies, trying to drag us down back to stone age by justifying atrocities, conquests and whatnot.

That native americans, just like everyone, were savages should not come as a surprise to anyone. The "noble savage" is a romanticized stereotype we all fit, still. Though, of course one wants to imagine oneself as a superior human being because of couple of thousand years of cultural history, but in truth we are still the same tree climbing ****-throwers that our ancestors were; only we have more chances not to be...but we are. In fact, sometimes I think the same principle as with rich people apply: the more you have the less of it you give away.

Pot-kettle, both in the fire.
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Impact of Finnish immigrants to USA is minimal, barely even worth mentioning. However, during the time swedes dominated us we got to burn down most of middle-Europe(30 years war and all), and I am sure we caused more than one headache to the samis as well. We were also to poor and insignificant to have black slaves, so white land-slavery it was!

Alt-right and other whitewashers are the crybabies, trying to drag us down back to stone age by justifying atrocities, conquests and whatnot.

That native americans, just like everyone, were savages should not come as a surprise to anyone. The "noble savage" is a romanticized stereotype we all fit, still. Though, of course one wants to imagine oneself as a superior human being because of couple of thousand years of cultural history, but in truth we are still the same tree climbing ****-throwers that our ancestors were; only we have more chances not to be...but we are. In fact, sometimes I think the same principle as with rich people apply: the more you have the less of it you give away.

Pot-kettle, both in the fire.
your opinion only
the Europeans were superior in technology
the NAs didn't even have the wheel
are you a troll master? because I don't see any one trying to justify atrocities --but you do???!!
..in fact, I think I was the first to bring up the destruction of their culture and how horrible that is
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Why does it matter if Americans owned slaves ?
Because it's a direct contradition to The Declaration of Independence""All men are created equal".

A fine aspiration of course, but every nation in the world has fallen short of this ideal at one point or another:- some consistently. But put it in writing and you have something to live up to.
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On the one hand we have people screaming that history is being deleted.

From the very same camp we get "SFW if history is ignored."
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Heh. There's a whitewash of European/american/white history going on. Bunch of weebos crying about not being able to be proud of killing indians and owning slaves. Oh, and about other people not being blamed as much as them.

Seriously, you ****ing crybabies.


As OpanaPointer pointed out: learn from history. And for gods sake, stop crying.

Our societies still suck btw. just not as much as back then.
Who in the West is proud of killing Indians and owning slaves? As Moulin pointed out, it was the natives who were proud of killing and torturing each other.

And you say we should learn from history, as if the US is still fighting Indian Wars and trading slaves. That's the thing with liberals, at least in the US. You can ask a number of young liberals and they will tell you slavery literally exists in this country, that it was not ended with the Civil War. These are also the same people calling for the Confederate monuments to come down. Do you see a connection?

Instead of reading history, and looking for useful information like how to fight battles, how to be a good leader, how to make a difference in the world...instead of that they are cherry picking outdated institutions and saying we should cleanse our society and forget all the valuable lessons to be learned.

Robert E. Lee was one of the great generals of the modern era; he had some of the best people skills ever recorded of historical figures, yet liberals say we shouldn't read about him or hold him up to be a role model because he owned slaves. Don't you think that's a tad moronic?
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Why does it matter if Americans owned slaves ?
Because it's a direct contradition to The Declaration of Independence""All men are created equal".

A fine aspiration of course, but every nation in the world has fallen short of this ideal at one point or another:- some consistently. But put it in writing and you have something to live up to.
That mattered at the time it was written, and it was a problem Thomas Jefferson famously struggled with. So true all in all, but I was referring to modern times. Why does it matter today if Americans owned slaves over 150 years ago?

There's a quote going around, and I'm not sure who started it, but it goes something like, "a bunch of whites and blacks who were never slaves, fighting a bunch of whites who were never nazis, tearing down statues the Democrats put up, and it's all Trump's fault."
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Who in the West is proud of killing Indians and owning slaves? As Moulin pointed out, it was the natives who were proud of killing and torturing each other.

And you say we should learn from history, as if the US is still fighting Indian Wars and trading slaves. That's the thing with liberals, at least in the US. You can ask a number of young liberals and they will tell you slavery literally exists in this country, that it was not ended with the Civil War. These are also the same people calling for the Confederate monuments to come down. Do you see a connection?

Instead of reading history, and looking for useful information like how to fight battles, how to be a good leader, how to make a difference in the world...instead of that they are cherry picking outdated institutions and saying we should cleanse our society and forget all the valuable lessons to be learned.

Robert E. Lee was one of the great generals of the modern era; he had some of the best people skills ever recorded of historical figures, yet liberals say we shouldn't read about him or hold him up to be a role model because he owned slaves. Don't you think that's a tad moronic?
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That mattered at the time it was written, and it was a problem Thomas Jefferson famously struggled with. So true all in all, but I was referring to modern times. Why does it matter today if Americans owned slaves over 150 years ago?

There's a quote going around, and I'm not sure who started it, but it goes something like, "a bunch of whites and blacks who were never slaves, fighting a bunch of whites who were never nazis, tearing down statues the Democrats put up, and it's all Trump's fault."
Then why does it matter that the 2nd was written to help protect the people of the frontier from Indian attacks or as some like to believe defend against an invasion.
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Then why does it matter that the 2nd was written to help protect the people of the frontier from Indian attacks or as some like to believe defend against an invasion.
As the British were still egg-on some of the tribes it could have been both. At least back then. Today we have no danger of invasion, just a danger from nuts who think they can take on the US military with their toy armies.
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Who West is proud of killing Indians. Hickok , Cody, Custer, Wentzel, Morgan, Boone, Crockett and thousands of others.
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