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Of course they did - in order to expand those borders - that's how it grew from a handful of Eastern Sea Board states to extend from sea to shining sea.
A large part bought from the European powers, France, or won from Spanish Mexico and later Russia (Alaska). Places such as Detroit was occupied by the UK until force out.
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Heh. There's a whitewash of European/american/white history going on. Bunch of weebos crying about not being able to be proud of killing indians and owning slaves. Oh, and about other people not being blamed as much as them.

Seriously, you ****ing crybabies.


As OpanaPointer pointed out: learn from history. And for gods sake, stop crying.

Our societies still suck btw. just not as much as back then.
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Heh. There's a whitewash of European/american/white history going on. Bunch of weebos crying about not being able to be proud of killing indians and owning slaves. Oh, and about other people not being blamed as much as them.

Seriously, you ****ing crybabies.


As OpanaPointer pointed out: learn from history. And for gods sake, stop crying.

Our societies still suck btw. just not as much as back then.
Who's crying. Id please or...

Americas history is Europe's history. You only have to look at the different floods of European immigrates, including Finns..
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Heh. There's a whitewash of European/american/white history going on. Bunch of weebos crying about not being able to be proud of killing indians and owning slaves. Oh, and about other people not being blamed as much as them.

Seriously, you ****ing crybabies.


As OpanaPointer pointed out: learn from history. And for gods sake, stop crying.

Our societies still suck btw. just not as much as back then.
the only whitewash is making out the NAs to be peaceful, corn making people
..if you read all the posts-or even researched the topic--you would see that part of the NAs culture was war--murdering--raping--torture--''stealing'' land
..their warrior culture was the culture that made one proud to murder/kill/rape/torture--not the Europeans, in general
....this is like the hate crimes thread--where you don't know the facts--and/or don't want to believe the ''inconvenient truth--a perfect analogy by Mountain Man
..did the whites that came to America torture? sure--but it wasn't part of the culture, as it was to some NA tribes

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In the eastern woodlands cultural area (roughly encompassing the eastern one-half of the United States, and the southern portion of Quebec and Ontario), cultural traditions for dealing with captives predated the arrival of Europeans, and involved either adoption or execution by torture.
they loved to torture---the 'whole' tribe would be involved
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captiv...an_Indian_Wars
please read up on NA history--and not at the Huff Post

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IMMIGRATION IN THE MID-19TH CENTURY
Another major wave of immigration occurred from around 1815 to 1865. The majority of these newcomers hailed from Northern and Western Europe. Approximately one-third came from Ireland, which experienced a massive famine in the mid-19th century. In the 1840s, almost half of America’s immigrants were from Ireland alone. Typically impoverished, these Irish immigrants settled near their point of arrival in cities along the East Coast. Between 1820 and 1930, some 4.5 million Irish migrated to the United States.

Also in the 19th century, the United States received some 5 million German immigrants. Many of them journeyed to the present-day Midwest to buy farms or congregated in such cities as Milwaukee, St. Louis and Cincinnati. In the national census of 2000, more Americans claimed German ancestry than any other group.

http://www.history.com/topics/u-s-im...on-before-1965


When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis

http://www.history.com/news/when-ame...refugee-crisis
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Heh. There's a whitewash of European/american/white history going on. Bunch of weebos crying about not being able to be proud of killing indians and owning slaves. Oh, and about other people not being blamed as much as them.

Seriously, you ****ing crybabies.


As OpanaPointer pointed out: learn from history. And for gods sake, stop crying.

Our societies still suck btw. just not as much as back then.
and let me add this:
about 15 years ago I worked with an older lady who was very deep into the Lakota NA culture/etc...she even dressed as one for Halloween...from my readings on NAs, I asked her if the NAs used torture--well--she was taken aback big time....she was very hesitant to answer--as if she knew the answer--but did not want the truth to come out !!!
...of course she had to answer yes--, but she stuttered and stammered it ..one word --''yes'' --stuttering and stammering just one word...why? because the truth hurts

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in Iroquois-People of the Longhouse page 46
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Ambush and surprise attacks were the feature of forest warfare. Scalps and prisoners were sought,
the latter often being tortured and BURNED at the home village..
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burning!!
--I picked up this book and The Earth is Weeping long before this thread started....please do some research, unless you just want to give opinions--not facts
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Ask the Erie Indians, they have the perfect answer to your statement.

https://www.aaanativearts.com/tribal...1500s-to-1700s
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Ask the Erie Indians, they have the perfect answer to your statement.

https://www.aaanativearts.com/tribal...1500s-to-1700s
what I read was that they were all but wiped out by another tribe--due to the inter-colonial-NA conflict

also from Iroquois:
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what I read was that they were all but wiped out by another tribe--due to the inter-colonial-NA conflict

also from Iroquois:

abbreviation mine

wiped out buy the Seneca clan for harboring and enemy of the Iroquois. Loving noble people

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wiped out buy the Seneca clan for harboring and enemy of the Iroquois. Loving noble people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erie_people
to be fair, the Europeans ''escalated'' rivalries with firearms/horses/beaver trade/etc

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Who's crying. Id please or...

Americas history is Europe's history. You only have to look at the different floods of European immigrates, including Finns..
Impact of Finnish immigrants to USA is minimal, barely even worth mentioning. However, during the time swedes dominated us we got to burn down most of middle-Europe(30 years war and all), and I am sure we caused more than one headache to the samis as well. We were also to poor and insignificant to have black slaves, so white land-slavery it was!

Alt-right and other whitewashers are the crybabies, trying to drag us down back to stone age by justifying atrocities, conquests and whatnot.

That native americans, just like everyone, were savages should not come as a surprise to anyone. The "noble savage" is a romanticized stereotype we all fit, still. Though, of course one wants to imagine oneself as a superior human being because of couple of thousand years of cultural history, but in truth we are still the same tree climbing ****-throwers that our ancestors were; only we have more chances not to be...but we are. In fact, sometimes I think the same principle as with rich people apply: the more you have the less of it you give away.

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I see that with a lot of sport figure. Both in the US and Europe. Multi million contracts for PLAYING and the agent ask for more. Of course a ticket to go see the sport COST. Disgracefull imo.
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to be fair, the Europeans ''escalated'' rivalries with firearms/horses/beaver trade/etc

Iroquois:

abbreviation mine
the Senacas being part of the original 5, then 6, Nation Iroquois
the book doesn't go into further detail of the Eries
The Eire were destroyed before the whites arrived.

Correction needed.

They were destroyed before they made contact with the whites.
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