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American Revolution 1763-1789 The birth of a new nation - to commence at the Proclaimation of 1763 to the end of the Articles of Confederation.

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So are we supposed to engage in this logical tit-for-tat, of "you enslaved us," "you took our land, "you broke this treaty?"

It seems odd that treaties 150 years old are being used as the groundwork for liberalism. Slavery too. Are we supposed to legislate as if slavery still exists?

It all seems..out of place.
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Immaterial what they did between each other. Answer the question I ask. Do you believe that when a Nation gives it's word its word via a treaty then it is under NO obligation what so ever to abide by the treaty.

Yes or No.
no--considering all facts stated regarding NAs
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Why do we never discuss the genocidal colonialism that was the Islamic invasion of India.
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Why do we never discuss the genocidal colonialism that was the Islamic invasion of India.
Because they're not American. Only America's past can be dug up and dragged through the mud. Anyone who attacks us is off limits.
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no--considering all facts stated regarding NAs
Then consider that you are equating the actions of our government with the actions of a Stone Age people. Maybe we are not as civilized as we like to think.

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If I understood you correctly then no. Most of us have never owned slaves and what people did 150 years ago only impact us today if those that did are honored. Washington and Jefferson I'll give a pass. In their age there was next to no moral outcry against slavery. Totally different mid 1800s. Both Jefferson and Washington had their ideas on slavery. Not positive opinions

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Why do we never discuss the genocidal colonialism that was the Islamic invasion of India.
How can you even ask the question?

To answer your question, India isn't the US and doesn't impact daily lie in our country.

Now to your next deflection from an unsavory topic.
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? And why does it matter if we took land from the Indians?
"Everybody else does it!"

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..the destruction of the NA culture is very sad, very horrible
..their culture was destroyed.....that's what matters

...taking the land is what many tribes/groups/peoples/countries have done for thousands of years
...was the US evil for doing this?--no more than anyone else..
..was it criminal/breaking international law/etc?...you can't say for sure...especially considering the facts I presented--
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Some people want to be slaves, as in controled by the government.

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So are we supposed to engage in this logical tit-for-tat, of "you enslaved us," "you took our land, "you broke this treaty?"

It seems odd that treaties 150 years old are being used as the groundwork for liberalism. Slavery too. Are we supposed to legislate as if slavery still exists?

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..the destruction of the NA culture is very sad, very horrible
..their culture was destroyed.....that's what matters
...taking the land is what many tribes/groups/peoples/countries have done for thousands of years
...was the US evil for doing this?--no more than anyone else..
..was it criminal/breaking international law/etc?...you can't say for sure...especially considering the facts I presented--
No, it was no different than the European Powers were doing or had done across the World. From Indo China and the Pacific Isles to SE Asia, ME and Africa and South America. Then toss in the Ottomans and Russians as well. They can all stfu on the subject. At least the US didn't go out of it's borders as all of the above guilty parties did.
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No, it was no different than the European Powers were doing or had done across the World. From Indo China and the Pacific Isles to SE Asia, ME and Africa and South America. Then toss in the Ottomans and Russians as well. They can all stfu on the subject. At least the US didn't go out of it's borders as all of the above guilty parties did.
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No, it was no different than the European Powers were doing or had done across the World. From Indo China and the Pacific Isles to SE Asia, ME and Africa and South America. Then toss in the Ottomans and Russians as well. They can all stfu on the subject. At least the US didn't go out of it's borders as all of the above guilty parties did.
if not off topic, aren't there similar aspects with the indigenous Australians?
taking land/diseases/etc...?
..a very horrible--but interesting--topic regarding the similar aspects
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No, it was no different than the European Powers were doing or had done across the World. From Indo China and the Pacific Isles to SE Asia, ME and Africa and South America. Then toss in the Ottomans and Russians as well. They can all stfu on the subject. At least the US didn't go out of it's borders as all of the above guilty parties did.
Of course they did - in order to expand those borders - that's how it grew from a handful of Eastern Sea Board states to extend from sea to shining sea.
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