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Big losses for the CDU and SPD who both lose 20 % of their electors : one could expect this for the CDU as Merkel ,after 12 ! years as chancellor,had lost all sense of reality : there were the last years threatening indications, but ,in her arrogance, she knew better than the electors.She should have stopped and not have going for a fourth term of office .

She should have remembered what happened to Thatcher,to Mitterrand, De Gaulle, Kohl.But history is teaching us that the lessons of the past are always ignored . The lessons of the past are that graveyards are filled with people who were convinced that the world could not last without them .

The Merkel period is over .One should have no mercy : she got what she deserved :the electors have said : WIR machen das.

And the SPD ? If she had nobody else than Schultz, she deserved the beating .
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Exil polls suggest Merkel the winner but a significant breakthrough for the anti-immigration AFD who look to have come third with over 13% of the vote and will thus have a significant political presence in Germany.
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Nothing wrong with a good bit of stiff opposition, something to wake up the establishment and make them think a second time before making a decision. When the dust and emotions have settled, that's about all it is.

The AfD frontman Gauland recently claimed:
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“If the French are rightly proud of their emperor and the British proud of Nelson and Churchill, then we have the right to be proud of the achievements of German soldiers in two world wars,”
That's one hell of a spin to the actions of the Wehrmacht during two rather serious world events. Probably something to do with the myth of the innocent Wehrmacht.
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Nothing wrong with a good bit of stiff opposition, something to wake up the establishment and make them think a second time before making a decision. When the dust and emotions have settled, that's about all it is.

The AfD frontman Gauland recently claimed:

That's one hell of a spin to the actions of the Wehrmacht during two rather serious world events. Probably something to do with the myth of the innocent Wehrmacht.
Not my country, but if I had to choose between a leader who, potentially illegally, dumped a million+ migrants on me, tried and failed to flip them to Eastern Europe and a party trying to rebuild a sense of national pride, I know which I would choose.

I agree though, big picture is that things carry on broadly as before with a stronger effort to deport illegal immigrants and possibly a more business friendly coalition that could smooth the UKs BREXIT negotiations.
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Not my country, but if I had to choose between a leader who, potentially illegally, dumped a million+ migrants on me, tried and failed to flip them to Eastern Europe and a party trying to rebuild a sense of national pride, I know which I would choose.
And some also know who you would choose too.
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Nothing wrong with a good bit of stiff opposition, something to wake up the establishment and make them think a second time before making a decision. When the dust and emotions have settled, that's about all it is.

The AfD frontman Gauland recently claimed:

That's one hell of a spin to the actions of the Wehrmacht during two rather serious world events. Probably something to do with the myth of the innocent Wehrmacht.
Probably he was looking for additional voters .
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The good thing is that it is the end of Merkel : her expiration date was already over .
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Not my country, but if I had to choose between a leader who, potentially illegally, dumped a million+ migrants on me, tried and failed to flip them to Eastern Europe and a party trying to rebuild a sense of national pride, I know which I would choose.

I agree though, big picture is that things carry on broadly as before with a stronger effort to deport illegal immigrants and possibly a more business friendly coalition that could smooth the UKs BREXIT negotiations.
FFS, does that insipid idea still hold on? Do people honestly believe, that a head of government deliberately invited a hordes of foreigners into the country, rubbing her hand in glee while dreaming about being raped? Is it too big a stretch of imagination, that a couple of thousand people camping at the Budapest station were told to come in, but that erroneous news spread via social media that it was an all around "come in as you please" event, and that stopping the refugees by force was morally repugnant to a nation where the local version of the bible does not feature Jesus founding the NRA?

Who am I kidding, of course it is. Because governments that run the DRM or British Rail are obviously so perfect and infallible that they couldn't possibly make a mistake and loose control. It is the same logic that fuels the 9/11 "Truthers".
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If it was mistake why didn't she correct it? Instead of spreading nonsense that Germany can and will absorb everyone coming in.
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FFS, does that insipid idea still hold on? Do people honestly believe, that a head of government deliberately invited a hordes of foreigners into the country, rubbing her hand in glee while dreaming about being raped? Is it too big a stretch of imagination, that a couple of thousand people camping at the Budapest station were told to come in, but that erroneous news spread via social media that it was an all around "come in as you please" event, and that stopping the refugees by force was morally repugnant to a nation where the local version of the bible does not feature Jesus founding the NRA?

Who am I kidding, of course it is. Because governments that run the DRM or British Rail are obviously so perfect and infallible that they couldn't possibly make a mistake and loose control. It is the same logic that fuels the 9/11 "Truthers".
Well she let the [derogatory term deleted by ACG Staff], which the majority didn't wish for, come in. And now instead of trying to get rid of them they talk of integration. And now the goverment is dumb enoug with their bullshit about integration. I don't want my nephew to go to a sam school like they do so i haveto solve their criminal behaviour there each 2 weeks. If one takes those people in we need a total segregation.

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I looked at the attachment at the German election results and see that CDU only got 33% of the votes. To get a majority to form a government she needs a coalition of at least three of the lesser parties. Where is it written she will get them?

Maybe it is because I am looking at the election through American eyes, I see 67% of the voters did NOT vote for her. Where I grew up if you did not get over 50% of the vote they held a special election for the top two vote getters. I find this all a bit bizarre.

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This is not bizarre :Germany has a different election system . Yesterday the Germans elected a parliament, not a PM .

There are 299 electoral districts and it is exceptional that a candidate has more than 50 % in his district : 4 years ago Merkel had 56 %,now only 44 %.

Other point is that the number of seats is not fixed : it is now 598, but it can be higher or lower .
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The attached article did not say the CDU got 44%, it said 33%. I still say I am uneasy with this way to hold an election.

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