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Medical Aspects of Chemical and Biological Warfare Chapter 2 History Of Chemical And Biological Warfare: An American Perspective by Jeffery K. Smart . Covers from the ACW to the beginning of the 21st century. Smart was Command Historian, U.S. Army Chemical and Biological Defense Command, Aberdeen Proving Ground. It's somewhere on the Internet.
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t was less the persistence of mustard that made it dangerous as the fact that you didn't need to breath it to be injured by it - skin contact would cause horrible burns so a gas mask would not of itself provide full protection. Because it wasn't a gas at all but a vapour it could reliquify (which is why it was persistent) creating a thin coating that would burn if touched so, for example, an artillery piece that had been in mustard gas would need decontaminating before it could be used.
One other factor to consider, IIRC, was that use of chemical weapons was unexpected and took the Allies by surprise, so there was a "shock" aspect here until gas masks of adequate design were issued and in use.
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The volume of a W80 warhead is about half that of your average adult male. With that W80 you can get a 200Kt explosion...about 10 times that of Fat Man or Little Boy. In that same "volume" you couldn't get anywhere near enough of chemical weapon type X to do anywhere near the damage that 200Kt will do.

To do the same amount of damage with chemical weapons that nuclear missiles/bombs would do, you would need tens of thousands of ICBMs. If you were actually going to try what you propose, you would be better off...if you can call it that...using biological weapons. Those would take longer to have an effect, but a thousand ICBMs loaded with some type of biological agents would be as devastating in the long run as nuclear warheads...depending of course on what biological weapons you were using.
Bottom Line = Bang for Buck!

Given weight of payload, most proper Strategic thinking sees use of nuke warheads a better use and "threat" than any other, save for maybe a localized and "special" employment of bio/chem.

The "nuke" warhead will do both physical/material as well as "personnel" damage to a greater degree and larger area than can be achieved by chemical or maybe biological weapons. Within the philosophy of Mutual Assurred Destruction (MAD) "nukes" are everyone's trump cards.

Granted, if ever used in more than 1zy~3zy or so ... goinna mess a bit with Ma Nature, but she may recover quicker than the humans at ground zero and nearby.

Hopefully we never see this scenario played out.
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Chemical weapons dissipate rather quickly depending on the type of chemical and weather conditions. The other problem is that it can be difficult to target large areas, delivery methods can have their drawbacks. Nukes are much more lethal and can be delivered faster and further.
Sort of stuff should be obvious to those whom have a grasp of basic chemistry and physics. I suspect USA education system has fallen down in this area over last few decades, so far as general education goes.
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Mustard gas is persistent, not sure how long.

Megatons of nukes vs. tons of chemicals. Not sure there's even a comparison there.
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Given cost of the deliver system, ICBM plus infrastructure, what gives the best return of results for the throw weight you deliver?

Nukes over Chem/Bio usually does this by tens of factors.
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Sort of stuff should be obvious to those whom have a grasp of basic chemistry and physics.
And are totally ignorant about nerve gas
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Yeah!

Given cost of the deliver system, ICBM plus infrastructure, what gives the best return of results for the throw weight you deliver?

Nukes over Chem/Bio usually does this by tens of factors.
Only if you have nuclear technology and in any case bio may well equal nuclear in terms of lethality. This is the problem amongst the short sighted - is Anyone worrying about Iranian NK etc technology? What would the US do if anyone if someone dropped an ebola bomb in a major population centre? Apart from getting Air-force one to fly to Guam that is.
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Only if you have nuclear technology and in any case bio may well equal nuclear in terms of lethality. This is the problem amongst the short sighted - is Anyone worrying about Iranian NK etc technology? What would the US do if anyone if someone dropped an ebola bomb in a major population centre? Apart from getting Air-force one to fly to Guam that is.
Ageed, that Bio is closer in effect to nuke, at least as far as human/fauna lifeforms are concerned. Still, factor in the physical derstruction factor and in many~most cases the nuke gives the better effective results than any others.
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Ageed, that Bio is closer in effect to nuke, at least as far as human/fauna lifeforms are concerned. Still, factor in the physical derstruction factor and in many~most cases the nuke gives the better effective results than any others.
So why the neutron bomb?
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