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Its a bloody big ocean yet you guys (USN)keeps running into other ships....is this the same technology as driver less cars ??

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The Navy really needs an overhaul to get their **** together.
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Pretty much, someone was sleeping at the helm.

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Nick, I have said before and I will say it again, the Navy needs to:

1 - train again, instead of relying on CBT
2 - focus on professionalism
3 - stop using community relations a factor for promotions
4 - get rid beauty contests like the Sailor of the Quarter/Year
5 - bring back time in rate and time in service requirements for promotions
6 - physical fitness should be factored into promotions
7 - nor should collateral duties
8 - warfare qualifications should be voluntary (ever since they became mandatory the whole process became a joke!)
9 - warfare qualifications should only be earned when assigned to a combatant vessel
10 - enough with taking the booters word for everything! Bring back good order and discipline. Grievances should only be for bona fide incident like sexual assault, not for "my pu$$y hurts because the Chief talked mean to me when I refused to clean the toilets; I'm filing a grievance!"

In short, a safety stand-down will not help. What will help is a return to the culture that made the U.S. Navy a supremely competent and proficient war-fighting organization to begin with.
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A couple other events happened that weren't widely reported.

The Antietam ran aground while anchored in Japan in January. The Lake Champlain collided with a South Korean Fishing boat in March.
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The major problem I see is if a relative as easy of task of going from point A to point B without these types of problems, what is going to happen if we get into a conflict that demands professionalism. In other words if you got your head-up-your-ass during peacetime what are the chances you are going to survive a shooting war.
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Maybe it was senility like the ship's namesake...?
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Bring that up in one of the numerous anti Trump threads, this threads is a bout the collision.
You missed this one... I wonder why....
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The major problem I see is if a relative as easy of task of going from point A to point B without these types of problems, what is going to happen if we get into a conflict that demands professionalism.
You get U.S.S. VINCENNES.

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You get U.S.S. VINCENNES.

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CURRENT EVENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vincennes was in 88.

There where others in between. Sinking of a Japanese school ship and running into a sea mount by subs. Running aground on the Great Barrier Reef. Seems we had a carrier run aground not that long ago.

USS Antietam guided-missile cruiser runs aground

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Oh, by the way the USS John S. McCain is not named after the current John S. McCain III It is named after John S. McCain Sr and John S. McCain Jr both admirals during WWII
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It appears that the freighter made a 90* turn right into the McCain. Twice in a few months?
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CURRENT EVENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vincennes was in 88.

There where others in between. Sinking of a Japanese school ship and running into a sea mount by subs. Running aground on the Great Barrier Reef. Seems we had a carrier run aground not that long ago.

USS Antietam guided-missile cruiser runs aground

I was on board for that one. Even got the T Shirt (Mud Pac 83). Have the original SF newspaper article on it too.
Was standing watch as Electrical distribution rover at the time. Got off watch and crawled under a desk in the shop and took a nap. No friggin' way was I going to stand on the flight deck for weight (what all those idiots were doing). You are going to shift a 90,000 something ton aircraft carrier with few tons of people...

Captain Kelly got off light as he was politically connected.
The Navigator got a letter of reprimand, along with the Quartermaster(s) of the watch.
Three plant EOOW got one as he was found to be a major cause.
A few other people got hit too.
They interviewed everybody on watch in engineering, on the bridge, probably CIC, and a few others... Mine was like two minutes...
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It appears that the freighter made a 90* turn right into the McCain. Twice in a few months?
Well.. Tanker's speed comes down immediately at the tight turn. Which implies quite strongly that the tight turn (which you referred to as 90 degree turn) is in fact the collision (not something that happened prior to it). Also you can see - if you look the AIS more closely - that the tanker does not actually turn as much as its movement vector would indicate. Which kinda implies an outside force acting on it - like a destroyer.
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Chief, all 10 points are valid, I still think the only way to begin to address the issue is with a Navy wide Safety Stand down.

Keep in mind, to a man with a hammer, every problem is a nail:

My hammer is the open water navigation course that I attended in Coronado....

If the safety stand down shows that 75% of school trained navigators can't plot bearings on various scales of charts and can't convert a heading to magnetic......this would cause a Navy wide change in training. The major lesson learned for me with open water navigation and 18 Zodiac rubber boats in line 20 nautical miles from land was that when depending on electronic navigation aids, you had less S/A on what was going on around you because you really didn't need to monitor the course. On the other hand when I was running the plotting board, every shift of course, stop for a down boat......everything was monitored and re-plotted.

So much for Magellan seastories......

Right now old salts like you, TAG, and numerous others intuitively know what the problem is.....without documented results from a safety stand down or some other documented event for the CNO to look at, read, and answer too......I don't see the possibility of institutional change coming down the chain.
Concur Nick, the fact is that navigation is not taught to the level that used to as well, although I understand that big Navy resuscitated the three times a day celestial fix requirement for deck officers; I am not sure about Quarter Masters. With that being said, that is one of the things that I am driving at, the Navy gets to get back to the basics, and navigation is just one issue. Unrestricted line officers should be required to study navigation religiously and I for one believe that the Navy would be well served by having a training ship or at the very least a ship that is dedicated to training. Hell, the Navy may want to consider sending middies to MSC ships for summer cruises to study with folks that take navigation quite seriously because their livelihoods depend retaining their Coast Guard licenses. But I realize that I am probably preaching to the choir when I talk to you.
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