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Weren't the Belgian Gates supposed to let a Landing Craft enter and then trap them?

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Could be, but as I say, it is a new one on me. lcm1
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No, they were just obstacles. The landing craft wouldn't fit inside the gate, it was wide enough for a farm wagon, not much more.
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No, they were just obstacles. The landing craft wouldn't fit inside the gate, it was wide enough for a farm wagon, not much more.
Well OP, still never came across it, couldn't have been in any great use I don't think. lcm1
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Well OP, still never came across it, couldn't have been in any great use I don't think. lcm1
Consider the miles of beach they needed to block. They were digging for anything to help that. I wonder if it was Rommel's idea or somebody in Belgium looking to score points.
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Belgian gates were also known as Cointet-Elements after their designer.
See here: Cointet-element.

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The Cointet-element, also known as a Belgian Gate or C-element, was a heavy steel fence about three metres wide and two metres high, typically mounted on concrete rollers, used as a mobile anti-tank obstacle during World War II. Each individual fence element weighed about 1,280 kg but was movable (e.g. with two horses) through the use of two fixed and one rotating roller. Its invention is attributed to a French colonel, Léon-Edmond de Cointet de Fillain (1870-1948, later to become general), who came up with the idea in 1933 during the run-up to World War II, as to be used in the Maginot Line. Besides their use as barricades to the entrances of forts, bridges and roads, the heavy fences are best known for their use in the Belgian Iron Wall of the KW-line and their re-use as beach obstacles on the Atlantikwall.
The Belgians constructed over 73,000 to use as part of the K-W line in 1939. The Germans recycled approximately 23,000 as part of the Atlantic Wall defences.

Here's a picture of one in place on a beach:


Notice that it's wired for demolition. (The sausage like rings with cords around some of the beams)

This article contains some pictures of them in use in Belgium:
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Ah, something I didn't know yet. It's a good day!
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Ah, something I didn't know yet. It's a good day!
Still never saw one but as you say, another thing learned and it is a good day. lcm1
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