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Dug up my copy of this book:


to see if he talked about seasickness and he does discuss it on pp 74-5 including the following:
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A study showed that seasickness was worst in an LCA after thirty-five to forty-five minutes in rough seas. There was little sickness during the first fifteen minutes, and few new cases after ninety minutes. But the average voyage from the lowering point seven miles offshore took at least one hour, and probably rather more allowing for time forming up and delays in rough seas. This was precisely the time in which men would be at their worst.
He then quotes a Canadian soldier from the Normandy landings who stated: "We were so sick that we preferred to be shot on the beaches rather than go back on those landing craft".

As a side note he also discusses the change over from RN crews to RM crews, a change he notes was a resounding success. He feels part of this may have been that the Royal Marines had better relations with the Army because they had a greater understanding of land combat and its requirements than their RN counterparts. He also quotes an interesting observation from a beachmaster at Nan White Juno beach who stated that Royal Marine crews 'had a tendency to wander inshore" out of curiosity as to how the fighting ashore was going [Lavery p 39]. This is the only, rather minor, criticism he mentions among a collection of praise for the performance of the Royal Marines.
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He then quotes a Canadian soldier from the Normandy landings who stated: "We were so sick that we preferred to be shot on the beaches rather than go back on those landing craft".
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From what I remember from being seasick myself, 27 years ago,
you feel that indeed anything is preferable over going back on a boat.

I can imagine that nobody likes to confess to being seasick during an epic event like D-Day,
but it could have been an overlooked aspect of the landings.
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Makes my mouth water just thinking about it!! Is it possible to email a 'shot'? lcm1
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Dug up my copy of this book:


to see if he talked about seasickness and he does discuss it on pp 74-5 including the following:

He then quotes a Canadian soldier from the Normandy landings who stated: "We were so sick that we preferred to be shot on the beaches rather than go back on those landing craft".

As a side note he also discusses the change over from RN crews to RM crews, a change he notes was a resounding success. He feels part of this may have been that the Royal Marines had better relations with the Army because they had a greater understanding of land combat and its requirements than their RN counterparts. He also quotes an interesting observation from a beachmaster at Nan White Juno beach who stated that Royal Marine crews 'had a tendency to wander inshore" out of curiosity as to how the fighting ashore was going [Lavery p 39]. This is the only, rather minor, criticism he mentions among a collection of praise for the performance of the Royal Marines.
We can also be used by the army as stand in Commando's as happened to myself and the other five crewmen on my craft. lcm1.
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The Balvenie, Caribbean Cask, while not cheap, is very good.
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Exactly right OP, House to House fighting...Yuck! Not my cup of tea at all. lcm1
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Thank you OP,I will make a note of that. lcm1
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Yes, I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Carbine and Garand rifle waterproof invasion bag



Seen in use here, looking very similar to the items pictured in OP:



“Some of the first American soldiers to attack the German defenses in Higgins Boats (LCVPs) approach Omaha Beach near Normandy, France on June 6, 1944. Plastic covers protect the soldier’s weapons against from the water. (Photo by Robert F. Sargent, U.S. Coast Guard/Galerie Bilderwelt/Getty Images)” The M1 Garand was found to be sensitive to sand and salt spray in the extremely harsh USMC San Diego tests of late 1940. The plastic weapon covers used in the D-Day invasion protected the action from spray and sand ingress, greatly reducing the weapon’s chance of failure during the landings
This picture may actually be from one of the numerous training exercises on the Channel & Irish Sea coasts.

The conversation in this thread is focused on the assault waves. They would be inclined to uncover the weapons before coming under fire, In training exercises covering the weapons was be very common as no one wanted all the extra cleaning problems on rifles dunked in swirling sand and saltwater along the beach. In the USMC we did not have bags like these, but did seal up weapons & anything else sensitive for landing craft training.

Subsequent waves, landing after the beach was secured would be inclined to keep the weapons covered until feet dry. But there is not hard & fast rule in this. A lot depends on the whim of the company or platoon/section commander.
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Which must be against some forum rule or other.
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This picture may actually be from one of the numerous training exercises on the Channel & Irish Sea coasts.
It's actually taken by the same man who photographed the picture in the original OP and features the same landing craft and troops. It was colourized later. (I used the colourized picture because the bags stood out better.)
The photographer is Robert F. Sargent from the USCG and both pictures are part of a series of images he shot on D-day including Into the Jaws of Death, the OP image.

More on Sargent and his D-day images here:
Into the jaws of death: U.S. Coast Guard-manned landing craft at Normandy
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