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Old 03 Oct 17, 12:38
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... that one amazon reviewer of your book, some of whose criticism of your work doesn't bear up to scrutiny, decided to put out a noted by reputation, Anglophobic, revisionist edition of his own, on much the same topic. I've passed on it so far, I like your book.
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What book? The rest of us might like to see it! And buy it and read it.
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..On 28 May, 1940, the 14 capital ships in the RN Order of Battle were deployed as followed:-

Hood - Refitting in Liverpool
Repulse - Scapa Flow
Renown - Scapa Flow
Warspite - Mediterranean Fleet
Barham - Under repair in Liverpool
Valiant - Scapa Flow
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Revenge - Greenock, loading gold bullion for Canada (Operation Fish)
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Ramillies - Mediterranean Fleet, refitting in Alexandria
Nelson - Repairing action damage in Portsmouth
Rodney - Scapa Flow
Thanks, I wonder why the 5 battleships sitting at Scapa weren't ordered to steam the 550 miles to the English Channel as soon as it became obvious that the Allies were being pushed back to the coast, there'd have been plenty of time to get there in time to do shore bombardment.
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Thanks, I wonder why the 5 battleships sitting at Scapa weren't ordered to steam the 550 miles to the English Channel as soon as it became obvious that the Allies were being pushed back to the coast, there'd have been plenty of time to get there in time to do shore bombardment.
You've already been given an answer to this when you asked the question earlier. Go back to post 285 and start reading from there. I also note that DS provided a similar answer in the post you quoted but left out in your quoting. Information has already been provided to you. I guess it's up to you if you choose to read it.
To repeat: successful shore bombardment requires a certain set of requirements that could not be met by the RN of the time.
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Thanks, I wonder why the 5 battleships sitting at Scapa weren't ordered to steam the 550 miles to the English Channel as soon as it became obvious that the Allies were being pushed back to the coast, there'd have been plenty of time to get there in time to do shore bombardment.
Sorry, but the Dunkirk which is 550 miles from Scapa Flow is actually a small town near Chester!

I think that the rest of your comment has already been dealt with in previous posts.
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Sorry, but the Dunkirk which is 550 miles from Scapa Flow is actually a small town near Chester!

I think that the rest of your comment has already been dealt with in previous posts.
Before anyone objects, yes, I do know that there is a difference between sea miles and land miles, but I found the fact that it really is 550 miles from Scapa to Dunkirk, near Chester, too intriguing a co-incidence to let pass unremarked.
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Before anyone objects, yes, I do know that there is a difference between sea miles and land miles, but I found the fact that it really is 550 miles from Scapa to Dunkirk, near Chester, too intriguing a co-incidence to let pass unremarked.
Looking at a map, it looks like more like 800 miles from Scapa Flow to Dunkirk, France. Does anybody know an exact figure? Not that I am doubting that sea bombardment was impractical in Dynamo, but I really wanna know.

ETA: Never mind. Google maps is your friend. 870 land miles, more or less.
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Before anyone objects, yes, I do know that there is a difference between sea miles and land miles, but I found the fact that it really is 550 miles from Scapa to Dunkirk, near Chester, too intriguing a co-incidence to let pass unremarked.
There are other Dunkirks in Britain available
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Looking at a map, it looks like more like 800 miles from Scapa Flow to Dunkirk, France. Does anybody know an exact figure? Not that I am doubting that sea bombardment was impractical in Dynamo, but I really wanna know.

ETA: Never mind. Google maps is your friend. 870 land miles, more or less.
545 Nautical Miles.

But in reality, in wartime, it would be somewhat greater, given the presence of defensive minefields, etc.
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545 Nautical Miles.

But in reality, in wartime, it would be somewhat greater, given the presence of defensive minefields, etc.
A large number of contributors to these pages do also feel more comfortable with measuring by land miles. lcm1
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545 Nautical Miles.

But in reality, in wartime, it would be somewhat greater, given the presence of defensive minefields, etc.
Some idea of the time scale for a destroyer can be provided by citing the case of the Leader HMS Codrington, ordered, on May 10, 1940, to proceed with all dispatch from Scapa Flow to Dover. She completed the voyage in 23 hours.

By the way, this rather demonstrates how quickly, in the unlikely event of it being necessary, the big fleet destroyers operating with the Home Fleet in September 1940 (mainly Tribals, and J/K class) could have reinforced the 60 or so older boats allocated to anti invasion duties, especially since, by September, 1940, most of the Home Fleet was already much further south, at Rosyth.
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I notice that Bradberry's book was published by Authorhouse, which effectively means that he published it himself, paying Authorhouse to produce it.

Unfortunately, the growth of self-publication means that all sorts of 'odd' people can present all sorts of 'odd' views, and present them in a format which makes them difficult to differentiate from properly researched texts, without having to subject them to critical analysis prior to publication by academics and/or specialists in the field. In the case of my own book, this involved defending my thesis against a maritime historian and a retired Major General (which actually was quite entertaining!)

Sadly, a self-published book can, when read by individuals with limited knowledge of the subject, or with a pre-existing prejudice towards a certain point of view, attract favourable reviews not really justified by the actual contents.
I once gave a lecture on the Vietnam War to a room full of academics & sundry interested hangers on. During the Q&A and elderly bloke up the back who had one of those 'this bloke knows a ton of interesting stuff but doesn't have a formal qualification' positions at the Uni piped up. He proceeded to tell me that I'd got a few things wrong, but that I shouldn't feel bad as the information was either classified or conveniently never recorded. Most enjoyable correction I ever got and a useful reminder of the limits of research - you can only know what you can find out. Gave him a hearty handshake afterward.
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Look what I found, pure comedy but of a filthy variety looking at it from the legitimate historical community.
https://www.amazon.com/V.-K.-Clark/e...ne_cont_book_1

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Thanks, I wonder why the 5 battleships sitting at Scapa weren't ordered to steam the 550 miles to the English Channel as soon as it became obvious that the Allies were being pushed back to the coast, there'd have been plenty of time to get there in time to do shore bombardment.
Hi POS, thinking back to those sad days, Wouldn't it have been lovely to think of the 'Boys in Blue' giving them a right old caning with a few well placed broadsides!! lcm1.........And for those who put a damper on the thought, I bet they were 'Royals' manning those 'Big guns' and I'm sure they would have sorted out something to post to the 'Jerries' in the travelling time
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