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Mosul - Photo that could be 1945 Europe or Japan

Damage of WW2 proportions and I suspect it will take a lot longer to rebuild - if ever.
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So why do we have a flood of refugees? There is the answer.
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So why do we have a flood of refugees? There is the answer.
Don't be silly, the several decades of war in Middle-East has nothing at all to do with these so called refugees. Really they are just lazy immigrants looking for dole. Nothing at all to do with the war in Afghanistan, Arab spring, Syrian Civil war, the war and the situation in Iraq, global terrorism and so forth. Just lazy people. Really really lazy people who want to kill everyone like you.
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Don't be silly, the several decades of war in Middle-East has nothing at all to do with these so called refugees. Really they are just lazy immigrants looking for dole. Nothing at all to do with the war in Afghanistan, Arab spring, Syrian Civil war, the war and the situation in Iraq, global terrorism and so forth. Just lazy people. Really really lazy people who want to kill everyone like you.
And what's so amazing is how much energy such lazy people will expend to get to Western Europe.
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Damage of WW2 proportions and I suspect it will take a lot longer to rebuild - if ever.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/...3-284cc62ffdd0
The U.K alone has a multibllion foreign aid budget looking for a good home. I expect the money can be found, it will be security, stabilisation and corruption that hinder redevelopment.
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Oddly enough, I remember, when the Syrian Army launched its offensive to recapture East Aleppo from the various Jihadi nutbars that were occupying it, you had a host of newspapers and media ranging from Haaretz to CNN, Washington Post, New York Times to Foreign Policy magazine describing the assault as a holocaust. And yet, the level of destruction and the intensity of the assault paled in comparison to what the coalition aircraft and Iraqi forces did to Mosul. If Aleppo was a holocaust, what was Mosul? Even more to the point, where is the moralizing Western media when Western nations are complicit?
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So why do we have a flood of refugees? There is the answer.


And why are they going to the countries of the infidels ,and why are they not going to the countries of the true believers ?

And how many of these "refugees" are coming from Mosul ?
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The new Mosul will be built on top of the old Mosul. Happens every time there is a major conflict/war/upheaval. Destruction on this scale is not rebuilt in poor countries, they just make it level and build on top.

Almost all historical cities in the ME have multi-layers of history showing precisely that.
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Wrt Syria..Europeans and Arabs are once again working together to rebuild the war torn areas of Syria which has a beautiful and rich history..We will surely be seeing the same wrt Iraq


1.5 million Euros Allocated to Help Rehabilitate Syrian Antiquities, Says Czech Museum Director

Director of the National Museum in Prague Michal Lukeš has declared that 40 million Czech Koruna[1.5 million Euros] is allocated to rehabilitate some of Palmyra antiquities delivered to Damascus and to help repair damaged monuments in Aleppo in accordance with development and humanitarian aid program approved by the Czech government for 2016-2019.

His remark was made during an interview with Czech Television on Tuesday.

"The ancient and various antiquities in Syria prove that this country is the cradle of civilization," Lukeš said, asserting that the National Museum in Prague will take part in protecting and rehabilitating Syria's antiquities in cooperation with Directorate-General of Antiquities and Museums (DGAM) in Damascus.




http://www.syriatimes.sy/index.php/d...useum-director

During WW2 European civilians were fleeing constantly, but also many Europeans stood and fought and we see Arabs of today reacting in the same manner...it must be some tough decision for a civilian to make...unimaginable. Its just that during WW2 the sight European Christians fleeing were much more abundant then the sight of Arabs today fleeing. Of course if one goes back to the middle ages when Latin Catholics scored great victories against Arab and Turkish Muslim powers it was the Muslims fleeing although of course in the Kingdom of Jerusalem Muslims had their dignity.

Other then the millions of Iraqi Arabs whom are in Iraq fighting ISIL...More and more Arab refugees will be flocking back to Mosul now that it has been liberated.


I was the first person to open [a hairdressing business]. I felt very proud. People warned me it could be dangerous and said I might face consequences, but luckily I had no problems.
-Jumana Najim Abdullah, a hairdresser who fled from west Mosul

Already , Syrian, Spanish and other European architects have leant their hands in rebuilding Syrian cities dating back to the times of the Roman Empire...the same will surely be done in Mosul,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/...3-284cc62ffdd0

So far some 79,000 people have returned to the ruins of West Mosul, according to government figures, equivalent to around 10 per cent of all those who fled the area. By contrast, some 90 per cent of those who fled have since returned to the east of the city, which witnessed considerably less destruction.

http://www.unhcr.org/news/latest/201...est-mosul.html



Many shops and markets in east Mosul have re-opened, including cafes advertising shisha pipes, furniture stores and hairdressers. On one street corner, a group of people had gathered at one site being repaired.

“We’re planning to rebuild four shops and our family house at the back,” says 25-year-old Ayad Ahmed Ali.

“It will cost us a lot – maybe 200 million Iraqi dinars (US$170,000) – and we’ll get into debt; but there are five families in our extended family. We are scattered, living all over the place right now, but we want to come back here and live together. And we all need jobs,” he says.

Ali says the building work will likely take a few months. But, he believes efforts like this will send an important statement to extremist groups who once held sway.

“We all hope and want Mosul to get back on its feet,” he says. “What we are doing now is a signal, a challenge to extremists. We are determined to rebuild and fight their destruction



http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/late...t-rebuild.html
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Having just returned from Iraq where I do capacity building of the Iraqi Army so they are better able to fight Daesh/ISIS,
I was struck by the contempt my Iraqi's colleagues had for the UN agencies charged with humanitarian assistance which had never shown up in Mosul yet as Mosul was considered too dangerous.
Only military colleagues who shared the danger got credit, an understandable ubiquitous tendency I have observed throughout my career.

In that light I couldn't help noticing that these cynical Iraqi colleagues seem to have a point as indeed the UN data used in this post came from satellite analysis and not from sources on the ground.
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Having just returned from Iraq where I do capacity building of the Iraqi Army so they are better able to fight Daesh/ISIS,
I was struck by the contempt my Iraqi's colleagues had for the UN agencies charged with humanitarian assistance which had never shown up in Mosul yet as Mosul was considered too dangerous.
Only military colleagues who shared the danger got credit, an understandable ubiquitous tendency I have observed throughout my career.

In that light I couldn't help noticing that these cynical Iraqi colleagues seem to have a point as indeed the UN data used in this post came from satellite analysis and not from sources on the ground.
Yes good point. Reminds of an Iraqi American friend of mine. Iraqi Americans number 150-200K and many have family back in their old country. And one of them my friend was saying the Baghdad airport is in dilapidated shape. He did say that Iraqis in general though are welcoming of foreigners, apparently they have all sorts of nationalities working in Iraq...including Pakistanis and Chinese although apparently they live in separate areas from the main Iraqi populations. Basically my Iraqi friend was also cynical and unsure when I showed him pictures of hotels and restaurants being built up but not complete in Iraq. .. he said ill believe it when I see it. In any event though hopefully Mosul and Iraq can build itself into a premier destination.

And btw that is one heck of a job you have..many people admire what you are doing, keep up the good work. I did want to ask how do the Iraqi people react to the training, as in how many are lazy how many want to train and are serious about their work?
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And btw that is one heck of a job you have..many people admire what you are doing, keep up the good work. I did want to ask how do the Iraqi people react to the training, as in how many are lazy how many want to train and are serious about their work?
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Training is taken seriously by the Iraqi’s.
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