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Perhaps the British and French should make a co-production - I'm sure that would work
It does raise an interesting point - While Nolan's film is no "Longest Day" or "Bridge too Far"...those two classics were multi-national productions, and consequently we look back at them as being among the very best of war films....so maybe there is a lesson to be learned here?
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Almost 5 million bucks for a foreign film in just the first three days is pretty good isn't it?



Perhaps the British and French should make a co-production - I'm sure that would work

I don't think that town in the beginning could even have been Dunkirk - the Germans got nowhere near it until 4th June ...
It took $2.2 million out of $10.6 million the first day. That compares with $3.7 million in the UK but you'd expect it to be higher here. Not a bad proportion. On succeeding days it opened in more countries around the globe so $5 million sin't a bad share of the overall box office for a single country.
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Having the story center on the French as well would require a much more expensive and longer movie, with emphasis on defensive combat on the ground as well.
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Having the story center on the French as well would require a much more expensive and longer movie, with emphasis on defensive combat on the ground as well.
E.g: why not make a film about 1st Army's efforts in Lille area? I think it's a decent plot for a movie.
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It didn't seem that impressive to me. Maybe I was expecting more action and/or a bigger historical snapshot of the whole thing.

I'm sorry that my question bears no relation to Dunkirk, but would you please recommend any Romanian (Bulgarian, Hungarian, Yugoslavian) films about WWII?
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Interesting little snippet from the BBC this morning. It seems that some of the French media have been a bit sniffy about it (usual moans about ignoring the French already done to death elsewhere in ACG) but that the French public apparently are/will be turning up in droves to see it.
Sorry, but I don't see anything interesting about yet another negative comment from the BBC that is meant to stir up angst and pit people against each other for the most petty reasons imaginable.
Isn't that the gist of about 80% of all words spoken by everyone connected to that entire network?

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there was mention that historically Dunkirk was over 80% destroyed, though in the film only a wooden gate suffered a few bullet holes, but otherwise the city appeared unscathed and intact..
Yeah... about that....

That is probably the down-side of it actually being filmed on location.
The location being Dunkirk.
I think the people who live there might have had a problem with the place being burned down, again.
So, yeah, maybe some CGI would have helped here & there.
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I'm sorry that my question bears no relation to Dunkirk, but would you please recommend any Romanian (Bulgarian, Hungarian, Yugoslavian) films about WWII?
I can't recommend any to be honest.
Most of them were made mechanically (not creatively) during the communist era, to spread the regime's view on the events and stress the anti-German fight alongside the Russian allies after 1944.
So not being the product of creative art but of party/political directives, their action is very cheesy and their plots focus more on didactic purposes rather than character development or interesting/exciting twists.

Only one that was watchable for me was Castelul Condamnatilor (1969).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwvLk3yaspg

Am fost 16 (1979) could have been even more interesting but it's pretty old and the action parts are not that good.
Russian is spoken in the first 10 minutes or so and gives you a general idea what it's about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dglPx0BDp5o
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I can't recommend any to be honest.
Most of them were made mechanically (not creatively) during the communist era, to spread the regime's view on the events and stress the anti-German fight alongside the Russian allies after 1944.
So not being the product of creative art but of party/political directives, their action is very cheesy and their plots focus more on didactic purposes rather than character development or interesting/exciting twists.

Only one that was watchable for me was Castelul Condamnatilor (1969).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwvLk3yaspg

Am fost 16 (1979) could have been even more interesting but it's pretty old and the action parts are not that good.
Russian is spoken in the first 10 minutes or so and gives you a general idea what it's about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dglPx0BDp5o
Thanks for reply!
But were there any made in 1990s or later?
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Haven't read any of the comments on here so far. Will read them after I've posted, because I don't want to be swayed in what I write and all the thoughts swirling around in my head.

Just got back from the cinema .. and let's just say .. my review is mixed.

Do I think this is a fantastic film?

No I don't.

Do I think it is a bad film?

No, definitely not.

Do I think it is deserving of the hype and accolades being heaped on it already?

No, sorry, I don't.

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The film opens with words appearing on the screen (not exact but close enough)

'The enemy have the British and French pinned down on the beach at Dunkirk.'

The enemy?

Do we live in such a politically correct age that we aren't allowed to say who the 'enemy' are? We can identify the British and the French, but we can't identify who they are retreating from?

The word 'German' does crop up in the film in some muted dialogue, but other than that there is absolutely no identification of the opposing forces. At the end when Tom Hardy sets fire to his Spitfire you see the silhouette of what we, as military buffs, know to be German helmets. You hear the Stukas but you don't see a single Swastika or Balkenkreuz on German aircraft.

The enemy at Dunkirk, dive bombing and strafing men on beaches, bombing the crap out of hospital ships and boats ... are unidentified. The 'enemy' at Dunkirk are nameless and faceless. And that for me was the biggest failing in this film. 2017 political correctness gone mad.

There is so much more I want to write about 'Dunkirk' but would end up with the longest post in AGM history so I'm going to leave it for now.

But I went to watch this film with my boyfriend whose grandfather was aboard The Lancastria. For those who don't know, between 3,000 and 6,500 men were killed the largest single-ship loss of life in British maritime history. The sinking of RMS Lancastria claimed more lives than the combined losses of the RMS Titanic and RMS Lusitania. The immense loss of life was such that the British Government suppressed reports of it.

http://www.lancastria.org.uk

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Haven't read any of the comments on here so far. Will read them after I've posted, because I don't want to be swayed in what I write and all the thoughts swirling around in my head.

Just got back from the cinema .. and let's just say .. my review is mixed.

Do I think this is a fantastic film?

No I don't.

Do I think it is a bad film?

No, definitely not.

Do I think it is deserving of the hype and accolades being heaped on it already?

No, sorry, I don't.

......................

The film opens with words appearing on the screen (not exact but close enough)

'The enemy have the British and French pinned down on the beach at Dunkirk.'

The enemy?

Do we live in such a politically correct age that we aren't allowed to say who the 'enemy' are? We can identify the British and the French, but we can't identify who they are retreating from?

The word 'German' does crop up in the film in some muted dialogue, but other than that there is absolutely no identification of the opposing forces. At the end when Tom Hardy sets fire to his Spitfire you see the silhouette of what we, as military buffs, know to be German helmets. You hear the Stukas but you don't see a single Swastika or Balkenkreuz on German aircraft.

The enemy at Dunkirk, dive bombing and strafing men on beaches, bombing the crap out of hospital ships and boats ... are unidentified. The 'enemy' at Dunkirk are nameless and faceless. And that for me was the biggest failing in this film. 2017 political correctness gone mad.

There is so much more I want to write about 'Dunkirk' but would end up with the longest post in AGM history so I'm going to leave it for now.

But I went to watch this film with my boyfriend whose grandfather was aboard The Lancastria. For those who don't know, between 3,000 and 6,500 men were killed the largest single-ship loss of life in British maritime history. The sinking of RMS Lancastria claimed more lives than the combined losses of the RMS Titanic and RMS Lusitania. The immense loss of life was such tthat the British Government suppressed reports of it.

http://www.lancastria.org.uk

I think it's a good author's idea to show enemy faceless, because, IMO, it had been relatively rare occasions when soldiers saw "whites of enemy's eyes".
And yes, there were crosses on German planes in the film, and at least once tail swastika had appeared in the frame.
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But were there any made in 1990s or later?
Not that I know of.

Anyway, returning to Dunkirk, I would have preferred better action, even if it involved the use of CGI. The dogfights were pretty basic. I mean I've seen more riveting stuff on History Channel's Dogfights.
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Not that I know of.

Anyway, returning to Dunkirk, I would have preferred better action, even if it involved the use of CGI. The dogfights were pretty basic. I mean I've seen more riveting stuff on History Channel's Dogfights.
When you are down low, you really can't do much fancy stuff unless you go into a steep climb first. Those old planes don't like doing that very much.
So yeah, a little CGI would have been nice, but only if it could have been matched perfectly with the real stuff.

You do remind me of something.
When he closed in on the He111 and it fired back, it wasn't a rat-tat-tat, but BOOM BOOM BOOM... and I was like "Oh hell, it has a 20mm!"
But, I don't think any He111 had those.
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When you are down low, you really can't do much fancy stuff unless you go into a steep climb first. Those old planes don't like doing that very much.
So yeah, a little CGI would have been nice, but only if it could have been matched perfectly with the real stuff.

You do remind me of something.
When he closed in on the He111 and it fired back, it wasn't a rat-tat-tat, but BOOM BOOM BOOM... and I was like "Oh hell, it has a 20mm!"
But, I don't think any He111 had those.
The H-6 had a 20 mm MG FF cannon in the nose but not until after the BoB
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When you are down low, you really can't do much fancy stuff unless you go into a steep climb first. Those old planes don't like doing that very much.
So yeah, a little CGI would have been nice, but only if it could have been matched perfectly with the real stuff.
I agree. But why did they have to be down low though? The screenwriter/film director put them/kept them there in the first place.
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