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Dunkirk

Well, I just saw it, and I'm not exactly sure what I think about it yet.

I'll give myself a little time to think about it, with this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIbJIOsIDq8


Filmed on location... wow.
When was the last time anyone did that?

Minimal CGI, thank god.
And I can back all of that up, too. I knew the Me-109s were not CGI, they were all the Spanish ones, maybe the last of them.

Yes, it was only an hour and 45 min. I think it could have been longer, to tell the truth.

There are 3 stories that run simultaneously all through the movie, and this is going to trip a lot of people up. The reason is the Soldier's story is a week long, the crew of the boat goes for the one day, and the RAF is in Spitfires so they only have an hour of real time.... and all of it runs the same in the movie.
It can be confusing to people who don't keep that in mind... and I am sure a lot of non-war-buffs will walk away annoyed.

It also isn't exactly a War movie.
It is more more like a suspense movie, and this does not hurt it at all, IMHO. It was heady stuff, all that hurt it for me was the same couple of soldiers getting sunk 3 or 4 times, I lost count ... plus a couple of times they almost made it to a ship or boat that went down.
That got a little repetitive for me.

There was also the very long, long glide that one Spit went on... but it was a beautiful thing to behold.
A lot of scenes were like that, and I can't think of a single one that looked bad in any way.

Overall, and without giving too much away, I think I will have to see it a second time.
I was able to keep up with what was really going on in the various time-frames, but I still want to see it again.

Maybe that says enough right there.
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I see that other thread now, and was about to ask for a thread merger... but not after I had a look at it!
Jeez...

Lets just keep it to the Movie here, okay?
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Pity,I gave my review(such as it was) on the other thread.
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Completely surprised about the engine placement of the burning Spitfire.
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Well, I just saw it, and I'm not exactly sure what I think about it yet.

I'll give myself a little time to think about it, with this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIbJIOsIDq8


Filmed on location... wow.
When was the last time anyone did that?

Minimal CGI, thank god.
And I can back all of that up, too. I knew the Me-109s were not CGI, they were all the Spanish ones, maybe the last of them.

Yes, it was only an hour and 45 min. I think it could have been longer, to tell the truth.

There are 3 stories that run simultaneously all through the movie, and this is going to trip a lot of people up. The reason is the Soldier's story is a week long, the crew of the boat goes for the one day, and the RAF is in Spitfires so they only have an hour of real time.... and all of it runs the same in the movie.
It can be confusing to people who don't keep that in mind... and I am sure a lot of non-war-buffs will walk away annoyed.

It also isn't exactly a War movie.
It is more more like a suspense movie, and this does not hurt it at all, IMHO. It was heady stuff, all that hurt it for me was the same couple of soldiers getting sunk 3 or 4 times, I lost count ... plus a couple of times they almost made it to a ship or boat that went down.
That got a little repetitive for me.

There was also the very long, long glide that one Spit went on... but it was a beautiful thing to behold.
A lot of scenes were like that, and I can't think of a single one that looked bad in any way.

Overall, and without giving too much away, I think I will have to see it a second time.
I was able to keep up with what was really going on in the various time-frames, but I still want to see it again.

Maybe that says enough right there.
Yeah different stories occurring over different time frames plus they also show the same events happening from different perspectives and at odd intervals. I'm tempted to call it the Pulp Fiction of war dramas.
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Yeah different stories occurring over different time frames plus they also show the same events happening from different perspectives and at odd intervals. I'm tempted to call it the Pulp Fiction of war dramas.
Good one!
But, that seems like saying too little ... and too much at the same time.
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Interstellar in 1940.
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Interstellar in 1940.
Yeah, I'm going to need subtitles again.
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Though , it is a talented movie.And it pays a tribute to our soldiers.
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I saw the movie over the weekend. The movie is all activity and action with limited dialogue. It's basically a series of crises and disasters strung together. The director focuses on the traumatic experiences of the men involved and how they confront them. It's very impressive, unique, and overwhelming but not really a historical film. Dunkirk is just a convenient setting. The film succeeds in creating a high level of tension and fear.

The Germans in the film are barely visible boogymen/monsters. A couple HE-111 medium bombers and numerous, scattered ME-109 fighters and Stuka dive bombers. There is an invisible U-boat that torpedos ships.

This film is a 5 out of 5 movie. My personal enjoyment of the film was more like 4 out of 5. The film has almost no character development and focuses entirely on POV of different individuals/groups (1. A solitary Ace Spitfire pilot. 2. A foot soldier on route to Britain 3. A civilian boat that is ordered to help transport personnel 4. A british evacuation commander). The talents of the big name British actors are kind of wasted in a way.

As a technical achievement it is a 5 out of 5 and imho will be a Best Picture contender and will win a bunch of other rewards. It has very little CGI that is obvious and the trailers don't do the film justice as it omits lots of poignant imagery. It's a very stimulating visual and auditory experience so it really should be seen in theaters. I would need to watch it a second time to catch everything that I missed.

The ships, aircraft, and equipment depicted in the film appear to be entirely real. The props are particularly good and so are the vistas. I especially like how the British soldiers were all skinny men (typical of the 1940s). A minor limitation however, is that since Nolan used real props he was limited in how much he could depict at once. (eg. it doesn't make sense that there are only 3 Spitfires in the whole film, or how the Luftwaffe anti-shipping sorties are in trios( 1 HE-111 with 2 ME-109 as escorts). But this filed using the real thing!

I like how he used real British destroyers and flipped them over at sea. The takes of what happens to the men inside of a ship that's being torpedoed is particularly impressive and surpasses what was achieved before (in films like Pearl Harbor or Das Boot).
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Looking forward to seeing it. Just couple of blocks away from me but heck, as it often happens, when I finally slow down from the work-a-day intensity and remember, it's moved on!
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I went to the theater last night just for the popcorn and this was playing. Between emails I thought it was pretty interesting, just not as grand a scale as I expected. However, it seems realistic from several points of view, I tried to pick out the not so obvious flaws without much luck.

From a technical aspect the color correction and LUTs used were a little off from scene to scene. Some scenes were obviously filmed at completely different times of the day, this is noticeable from the orange ambient light. Some scenes where they are trying to show a raining overcast day have turned the British helmets into a bluish tint, probably another LUT that just didn't work well. It could have been fixed but who in the general public will notice?

Oh, and that Spitfire that flew for the last ten minutes without fuel was remarkable.
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From the cinematic view point. I think what Nolan did is new, refreshing and will be difficult to surpass. I did like the shifting timelines merging into one. Yes, I understand it confused many but I was able to see where it was going after a short while. Aerial combat scenes were extraordinary as were the ships being bombed/torpedoed and sinking....proof that you could be topsides and still be drowned by the superstructure.

I've read many complaints about the desolation of some of the beach scenes. I am torn on this. I understand Nolan dislikes CGI and uses as little as possible. But there are some historical events so massive it is hard to avoid....the city of Dunkirk, for one..was reduced to a ruinous state in the course only a few weeks, and the beaches were chocked full of wreckage, debris and bodies. I think an improvement could have been made here without deviating from the general theme Nolan wanted to present. Little dialogue, soldiers sitting on the beach with wind and sea foam, it really did give a sense of desolation and despair.

I think Nolan could have done much better in the historical sense, but we can't seem to discuss this without getting the thread locked, so I'll not bring it up.

Overall, I liked it very much....very happy there was not a masked super-hero saving the day...very happy there was no soppy love triangle (which I really feared).
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