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Yes, they are slowly being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 9th Century.

What bollocks is it that only SJWs should be concerned?
Because people use SJW for anyone who expresses a view on moral/ethical issues they don't like, so I'm just extrapolating it out. After all, a body of radical liberal-progressives pushing for something as transgressive as women not being punished for wearing miniskirts certainly fit the bill of being social justice warriors.
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Have the Trumpsters here asked what about Trump and the Saudi royals love for each other. Every Euro and American who loves Trump, loves Israel, complains about Muslims , the question has to be answered wrt Trump and Saudi Arabia. Otherwise we are having a conversation akin to talking about the troubles of Tom Brady without bringing up Roger Goodell. Also the blatant hypocrisy of some of the Trumpsters going on about what they term as human right abuses in Saudi Arabia while not saying anything about the inhumane marriage laws in Israel. To bwaha directly, you are saying Islam is oppressive then by your logic , Judaism is oppressive because Israel prevents a Jewish man from marrying a Catholic woman a marriage which I would support. And before any response, a few facts need to be addressed such as the fact that in America many Jews and Muslims are in interfaith marriages, these are the facts the conspiracy theorists and Muslim, Christian and Jewish bigots never address but hopefully bwaha you can address them.
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She will get the lash if she is lucky, if unlucky she will be beheaded.
In reality released without charge according to the latest BBC report.
Pakistan is the really dangerous place to do this kind of stunt.
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In reality released without charge according to the latest BBC report.
Pakistan is the really dangerous place to do this kind of stunt.
Who knows whether or not some Imam or ISIS will declare Fatwa, or maybe a lonewolf extremist, or...........
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In reality released without charge according to the latest BBC report.
Pakistan is the really dangerous place to do this kind of stunt.
In many places in Pakistan you will see a moderate level of freedom for women.



But certainly Turkey is the most free non Christian ally of the USA thanks to Ataturk reforms. Gays can walk freely in Turkey as we can see midway through the video below, might not see this sight in Moscow which many Trumpsters now love Putin/Russia.



Can you show me that same type of video from Pakistan or Russia?


Its interesting to see how many people love and admire Putin and Russia all over social media but then turn around and mock liberals as bending over for immigrants and even say that liberals are racists, say that countries like Pakistan and Saudi are violating human rights... I dont agree with all of the laws of Saudi, Russia and Israel but in the end all of these countries work with the USA and even the UK. This thread about Saudi and to your point about Pakistan is a part of a discussion on unique US allies whom are non Christian and non European, and the rights/laws of these countries. No one should use personal insults or mocking language in a thread like this doing so shows a bias and no level of educational commitment. But look at this thread, Bwaha is saying Islam is oppressive...and that is his opinon which is ok but lets see if he uses the same logic toward Israel/Judaism for Israels intolerant law system. Interesting it will be to see how you your self react to this post , where fact is showing that women can dress much more freely in Pakistan as they can in Saudi. Saudi Arabia A Us and British ally, and like Israel...is a religiously motivated state with much different laws then our countries. Turkey otoh is another unique US ally as like Israel and Saudi it is non European and non Christian but interestingly though Turkey like the USA, and unlike Israel and Saudi allows interfaith marriage. The fact is that in 1926 Turkey under Ataturk abolished its prior Ottoman Laws and allowed for interfaith marriage and other further reforms.

To your point, there are Pakistanis who are very open, I know many of them who still have family in their home country. Pakistani Brits/Americans are prominent members of both British and American society and the vast vast vast majority of them reject the intolerant Muslims of the world. Not to mention Pakistan already had a female head of state, decades prior to Mrs Clinton not achieving her Presidency in 2016. As I usually do with Israel in pointing out tolerate Zionists, it is important to point out that tolerate Salafi Muslims exist in Saudi Arabia. There are religiously conservative Muslims whom would befriend interfaith marriage couples, this goes on all over Saudi Arabia where business is conducted between Saudis, Brits, and Americans on a regular basis.
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Have the Trumpsters here asked what about Trump and the Saudi royals love for each other. Every Euro and American who loves Trump, loves Israel, complains about Muslims , the question has to be answered wrt Trump and Saudi Arabia. Otherwise we are having a conversation akin to talking about the troubles of Tom Brady without bringing up Roger Goodell. Also the blatant hypocrisy of some of the Trumpsters going on about what they term as human right abuses in Saudi Arabia while not saying anything about the inhumane marriage laws in Israel. To bwaha directly, you are saying Islam is oppressive then by your logic , Judaism is oppressive because Israel prevents a Jewish man from marrying a Catholic woman a marriage which I would support. And before any response, a few facts need to be addressed such as the fact that in America many Jews and Muslims are in interfaith marriages, these are the facts the conspiracy theorists and Muslim, Christian and Jewish bigots never address but hopefully bwaha you can address them.

Trump, Israel, blah blah blah. Trump, Israel, blah blah blah. Trump, Israel, blah blah blah.

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The 76 nations in the world where Homosexuality is illegal. Israel and Russia are not on the list, however, nearly all those nations that are majority "Religion of Peace" or have huge Muslim population are on it. India, currently at number two, will soon surpass Indonesia in Muslim population size.

This thread is about Saudi Arabia and it laws on women's attire. Why the hell are you bringing up mixed marriage and Homosexuality (both of which is not illegal in Israel)? Are you gonna blame that one on Trump also?
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The 76 nations in the world where Homosexuality illegal. Israel and Russia are not on the list, however, nearly all those nations that are majority "Religion of Peace" are on it.

This thread is about Saudi Arabia and it laws on women's attire. Why the hell are you bringing out mixed marriage and Homosexuality?

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Released w/o charges?!

Yay!

Yeah, she might be attacked later, but that means it is a good thing she had her face blurred.

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Huh?
You would think that such a rich place would have better health care, or have less of a 3rd-world attitude about family size.
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Huh?
You would think that such a rich place would have better health care, or have less of a 3rd-world attitude about family size.
When you have four wives and a harem, birth rate will be high regardless of any fertility scenario. Their wealth is what keeps child mortality rate low, unlike third world nations.

Old people are not dying off. Saudi Arabia have a huge expatriate population. They can leave due to wealth. This is KSA we're talking about, not Yemen, Kenya, Somalia or Ethiopia.
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Trump, Israel, blah blah blah. Trump, Israel, blah blah blah. Trump, Israel, blah blah blah.

Change records kid you’re boring.
Thats laughable^. Im not sure if you expect folks to take that serious...I laughed when I first read this.. See here no where did I mention your name but I did provide a viewpoint and you can deal with the viewpoint how ever you want. Addressing the points instead of providing your personal opinion on my character would be welcomed.


For the record, do you "stand by Israel" and if so explain why? Why stand by a country gov which practices inhumane laws, or is it just the inhumane laws in Saudi you criticize? Im critical of both the laws of Saudi and Israel.
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The 76 nations in the world where Homosexuality is illegal. Israel and Russia are not on the list, however, nearly all those nations that are majority "Religion of Peace" or have huge Muslim population are on it. India, currently at number two, will soon surpass Indonesia in Muslim population size.

This thread is about Saudi Arabia and it laws on women's attire. Why the hell are you bringing up mixed marriage and Homosexuality (both of which is not illegal in Israel)? Are you gonna blame that one on Trump also?
I assume this is directed at me. No need for you to say why the hell.. Ill criticize a middle eastern country as I see fit and no one here has a right to insult me for it, for I do not insult even Bwaha whom has attacked an entire religion- Islam. I did not attack Judaism,I deserve respect from you for defending Judaism while critique should go toward Bwaha for criticizing Islam.

Turkey allows interfaith marriage , Israel does not. I say that Turkey is the most free non Christian ally of the USA, its a viewpoint that I welcome agreements or disagreements with. I have made my points and in any event many Israelis agree with my worldwide views evidenced by the fact that a large # of Knesset members recently moved to vote to allow interfaith marriage in Israel.
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Because people use SJW for anyone who expresses a view on moral/ethical issues they don't like, so I'm just extrapolating it out. After all, a body of radical liberal-progressives pushing for something as transgressive as women not being punished for wearing miniskirts certainly fit the bill of being social justice warriors.

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I assume this is directed at me. No need for you to say why the hell.. Ill criticize a middle eastern country as I see fit and no one here has a right to insult me for it, for I do not insult even Bwaha whom has attacked an entire religion- Islam. I did not attack Judaism,I deserve respect from you for defending Judaism while critique should go toward Bwaha for criticizing Islam.

Turkey allows interfaith marriage , Israel does not. I say that Turkey is the most free non Christian ally of the USA, its a viewpoint that I welcome agreements or disagreements with. I have made my points and in any event many Israelis agree with my worldwide views evidenced by the fact that a large # of Knesset members recently moved to vote to allow interfaith marriage in Israel.
There is no law against interfaith marriages in Israel. All the marriages are approved by the Church/Mosque/Temple. Don't spin it into something dishonest. Blame it on the religions, not the State. Israel will honor ANY marriage as long as you can get it done.

And I did not attack Islam, but you have to sneak in criticism of Israel whenever you can. Israel has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia's law on clothing. Is it true or not that nearly all Islamic countries ban Homosexuality? If so, why do they call themselves a "Religion of Peace" when they cannot get along with Homosexuals?

There you go, now criticize each and every one of the Muslim nations that ban Homosexuality.
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Oh right, so you're in favour of punishing women who don't meet your dress code?
Not at all. But these conservative Saudi's certainly see those opposed to their moral and just laws and social norms as SJWs for their irritating habit of protesting whenever they want to get together and stone a women. It's getting to the point where the SJWs won't even let them throw acid in a girls face.
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