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Young Earth Creationist Wins Lawsuit Against Grand Canyon!

A Young Earth Creationist Sued The Grand Canyon Over Religious Discrimination And Won

Trevor Nace , CONTRIBUTOR
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A young earth creationist has won a several year long legal battle with the National Park Service over access to sample the Grand Canyon for evidence of his creationism beliefs. The lawsuit stemmed from a request by Australian Dr. Andrew Snelling, a young earth creationist, to collect 50 to 60 rock samples from the Grand Canyon, which was denied.

The National Park Service allows researchers access to sample the Grand Canyon but it must be approved by the park service and final research permits must be awarded. Dr. Snelling is a geologist by training who disregards modern science over biblically centered theories. Dr. Snelling filed a lawsuit with the National Park Service claiming his application to sample the Grand Canyon was denied due to religious discrimination based on his creationism beliefs.

A few days ago, after a lawsuit that stretched on since 2013, the National Park Service granted Dr. Snelling permits to sample the Grand Canyon. The park referenced a May 4th, 2017 order by President Donald Trump insisting that people's religious freedoms would not be limited "from undue interference by the federal government."

In response to the granted permits to sample the Grand Canyon, Dr. Snelling dropped his lawsuit. 'We commend Park Service officials, Interior Secretary Zinke, and the Trump administration for understanding that specifically targeting Dr. Snelling's faith as the reason to stop his research was both inappropriate and unconstitutional,' commented lawyer Michael Kitchen and Alliance Defending Freedom who represented Dr. Snelling.

A Geologist Disregards His Own Field

Dr. Snelling works for Ken Ham's Answers in Genesis, a large creationist organization headquartered in Kentucky. The organization is responsible for the Ark Encounter exhibit in Williamstown, Kentucky.

Dr. Snelling believes in young earth creationism, a belief that claims the Grand Canyon was carved in a few days by Noah's Flood. He holds a doctorate degree in geology from the University of Sydney and has guided rafting tours along the Grand Canyon.

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According to young earth creationism beliefs, Noah's flood carved the Grand Canyon 2,300 to 3,300 years before Christ was born. This singular flooding event is believed to have deposited all rocks and fossils we see on Earth today.

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While I don't have a problem with allowing Dr. Snelling to gather some rock samples from the Grand Canyon for his "research", if "all rocks and fossils we see on Earth today," were deposited by the Noachian Deluge, which also carved out the Grand Canyon... When were the thousands of feet of sedimentary rocks of the canyon's walls deposited?

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if they let others get the rocks, why not him, initially? should've let him have the rocks..what difference does/would it make?
the creationists answers to all questions --god's plan..god did it..everything bad is the result of man's fall from grace....[ even though god created everything -- including man and ''free'' will ]

I once asked a creationist that wasn't it incest if Adam and Eve had kids, and then they had them, etc etc
their answer: ''it wasn't incest back then'' !!!!!!! ''it wasn't wrong back then'' !!!!!
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Creatards want to prove the Grand Canyon was formed by run-off by the Great Flood. (Not Curt, the other one.)

Problem for them is that one side is over a hundred feet higher than the other. They won't think about that. They refuse to think about that.
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Creatards want to prove the Grand Canyon was formed by run-off by the Great Flood. (Not Curt, the other one.)

Problem for them is that one side is over a hundred feet higher than the other. They won't think about that. They refuse to think about that.
Curt Flood... The Father of Free Agency...

The bigger problem is that the canyon cut down through thousands of feet of sedimentary rocks. If the canyon was cut by Curt Flood and all of the sedimentary rocks on Earth were deposited by Curt Flood... How did the canyon cut through sedimentary rocks which couldn't have been there before the flood?

Geologically speaking, the Grand Canyon is "young" and formed fairly quickly. The erosion of the canyon could have begun as recently as 6 million years ago. Even if it was possible to make a case that the canyon was only 6,000 years old, the rocks that it cut through had to be there first.
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And Satan put all those fossils in each layer. That was just mean.
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And Satan put all those fossils in each layer. That was just mean.
That is the beauty of both conspiracy thinking and faith based reasoning, when negative evidence can't be ignored, consider it intentional deception.
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That is the beauty of both conspiracy thinking and faith based reasoning, when negative evidence can't be ignored, consider it intentional deception.
Yep. Gerald P. Nye, a US Senator, was giving a speech to an America First rally on Dec. 7th, 1941. He was handed a note saying the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor. He finished his speech without a pause or revision. When he left the stage his first words were "Roosevelt must have tricked the Japanese!"
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Curt Flood... The Father of Free Agency...

The bigger problem is that the canyon cut down through thousands of feet of sedimentary rocks. If the canyon was cut by Curt Flood and all of the sedimentary rocks on Earth were deposited by Curt Flood... How did the canyon cut through sedimentary rocks which couldn't have been there before the flood?

Geologically speaking, the Grand Canyon is "young" and formed fairly quickly. The erosion of the canyon could have begun as recently as 6 million years ago. Even if it was possible to make a case that the canyon was only 6,000 years old, the rocks that it cut through had to be there first.
That is but one of the contradictions. Where did those ancient fossils that were 'deposited' come from to begin with, and where is the supporting evidence of the "great flood" in western America?
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That is but one of the contradictions. Where did those ancient fossils that were 'deposited' come from to begin with, and where is the supporting evidence of the "great flood" in western America?
Okay, wiseguy, how to you explain the fact that there's still water in the bottom of the canyon!
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Yea! It doesn't matter if this guy's theories are crackpot or solid. Giving him a bag of rocks from the Grand Canyon isn't an unreasonable request on his part or something that the National Park Service should deny given his background.

I'm sure the Obama administration fought giving him samples solely on the basis of their own bigoted anti-religious hatred, and nothing more. I'm glad to see that the Trump administration is willing to hand this guy a bag of rocks.

His research will change nobody's opinions, that's a virtual certainty. Handing him a bag of rocks hurts no one, and certainly won't detract from the park's grandeur. It was arrogant and asinine that the Obama administration opposed this guy.
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Yea! It doesn't matter if this guy's theories are crackpot or solid. Giving him a bag of rocks from the Grand Canyon isn't an unreasonable request on his part or something that the National Park Service should deny given his background.

I'm sure the Obama administration fought giving him samples solely on the basis of their own bigoted anti-religious hatred, and nothing more. I'm glad to see that the Trump administration is willing to hand this guy a bag of rocks.

His research will change nobody's opinions, that's a virtual certainty. Handing him a bag of rocks hurts no one, and certainly won't detract from the park's grandeur. It was arrogant and asinine that the Obama administration opposed this guy.
Take photo's leave foot prints.

So 6 million visitors a year and each takes 10 pounds of stone home. It's not Obama and the NPS that is asinine.

What? No rocks in Australia?
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Only in the USA.
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Take photo's leave foot prints.

So 6 million visitors a year and each takes 10 pounds of stone home. It's not Obama and the NPS that is asinine.

What? No rocks in Australia?
Take nothing but pictures (and your own trash), leave nothing but footprints (and only leave them on designated trails). That's fine for casual visitors to National Parks and other protected areas. However, a suite of rock samples for a scientific study won't affect the magnificance of the Grand Canyon.

That said, the magnificance of the Grand Canyon should be proof enough that God exists. A logically doomed effort to prove that God made the Grand Canyon and all of the rocks & fossils on Earth, in one fell swoop, less than 10,000 years ago is kind of insulting to God and the Grand Canyon.
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