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Turkey continues its journey to the Middle Ages

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40384471

Under the current Sultan it will soon be the 15th century in Asia Minir....
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If I were a Turk with marketable skills and could travel I'd be looking to emigrate toute suite.
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With all the fake news this story could be misleading.. In any event Turks continue to learn about the prestige of the Ottoman Empire and Ataturk all around Turkish society. Most Turkish restaurants and business shops hang up portraits of Ataturk. To this day Hijabs even are frowned upon in Turkey, interfaith marriage is allowed in Turkey not in Saudi Arabia or Israel but in Turkey. As for the evolution thing, that is not important at least in the grand scheme of things its a viewpoint.... What is most important is Turks continue to respect their history like how Americans respect their history and English their history.
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With all the fake news this story could be misleading.. In any event Turks continue to learn about the prestige of the Ottoman Empire and Ataturk all around Turkish society. Most Turkish restaurants and business shops hang up portraits of Ataturk. To this day Hijabs even are frowned upon in Turkey, interfaith marriage is allowed in Turkey not in Saudi Arabia or Israel but in Turkey. As for the evolution thing, that is not important at least in the grand scheme of things its a viewpoint.... What is most important is Turks continue to respect their history like how Americans respect their history and English their history.
If the Turks aren't teaching basic science then there are destined to remain a primitive medieval society.
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If the Turks aren't teaching basic science then there are destined to remain a primitive medieval society.
Turks are doctors, lawyers, janitors, fast food workers...very similar to the USA. Evolution is a viewpoint...the science and math subjects can still be taught even if Evolution is not being taught. And again in Turkey a Christian man can marry a Muslim women and carry on normally...that is not the case in either Israel or Saudi Arabia... . And to Skoblins point every country has a checkered past but now in 2017 Turkey is one of the most free countries in the world even after the so called Colonels coup and that is in large part due to the greatness of its history generally speaking...
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And to Skoblins point every country has a checkered past but now in 2017 Turkey is one of the most free countries in the world even after the so called Colonels coup and that is in large part due to the greatness of its history generally speaking...
Go to Istanbul and publicly criticise Erdogan for not apologizing for the Armenian genocide. Report back to ACG with your results..
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Turks are doctors, lawyers, janitors, fast food workers...very similar to the USA. Evolution is a viewpoint...the science and math subjects can still be taught even if Evolution is not being taught. And again in Turkey a Christian man can marry a Muslim women and carry on normally...that is not the case in either Israel or Saudi Arabia... . And to Skoblins point every country has a checkered past but now in 2017 Turkey is one of the most free countries in the world even after the so called Colonels coup and that is in large part due to the greatness of its history generally speaking...
What rubbish - evolution is not a viewpoint anymore than the earth orbits the sun is a viewpoint- it is science. I suppose you'd like to bring back the "monkey trials " to America.

The only thing Turkey is free of is objective journalism - they're all in jail. Once I used to enjoy doing business in Istanbul - much less fraught and morfe straight forward than Athens - now I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole - a nasty religious fascist regime. Politically the plac has gone backward over 100 years
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Freedom of the press could be better in Turkey. Would you go to Washington DC and publicly criticize George Washington for owning slaves, or publicly criticize those who are against the CSA...Though many African Americans live in the USA...US laws allow for so called Neo Nazis and Klansman to hold rallies. In the USA such actions are allowed though they are frowned upon by most of the public... Would you publicly criticize the Holocaust in Israel where you can get arrested for such an action? Would you go to Saudi Arabia and publicly criticize the fact that their are no churches in Saudi Arabia where you could arrested for such an action? How about North Korea, look at what happened to that young American man who protested in NK...

I live in the USA and am influenced by American culture which respects freedom greatly...now my argument is that Turkey is clearly more free then Israel and Saudi and has similar press restrictions as does Israel...and certainly free speech must be respected in free societies even if it is offensive. Turkey banned a US American Turkish basketball player from coming to Turkey for comparing Erdogan to Hitler....so yay your right the Freedom of press and opinion should be respected more in Turkey even if it is offensive speech...Erdogan does not like Hitler and stands by Jews...but still imo free speech must be allowed even if it is offensive. Id rather first though take a visit to Turkey because it is still a key US ally and in Turkey a Christian man can marry a Muslim women, perhaps open a restaurant and hang up an Ataturk picture. So called secular society prevails in Turkey, the Hijab is almost nowhere to be found. Measuring everything, Turkey is a very free country here in 2017.
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I believe that you are not facing a life sentence for doing so there.
Where i do live , there is a huge Turkish community.
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I believe that you are not facing a life sentence for doing so there.
Where i do live , there is a huge Turkish community.
Don't criticize Erdogan in front of them , they're sensitive,to say the least....


Well use your French strength and show those few intolerant Turks what a good Frenchmen has to offer. There certainly are rude Turks, and rude Americans for that matter...iows folks who can not handle differing viewpoints.. That said, there are a strong # of Turks who disagree with Erdogan and again the bottom line is Turkey sees interfaith dating and marriage...so getting away from Erdogan and those few rude Turks you talk about...Turkey is a beautiful place with an amazing history...Ataturk is loved and admired by the likes of John F Kennedy, even many Israelis love Ataturk.
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