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The Japanese Bombers have the range to fly in from Indochina. The Vichy French let them set up on airfields the French built. I am not so sure about whether the IJA or IJN have Fighters that can fly in from Indochina. If they have ferried in some Fighters, my guess is the defenders did not blow up the Fuel Farm.

Ask the Leftenant if the Japanese Fighters had open cockpits or closed cockpits. I have heard the IJA has a very good Fighter over China that seems new. The older Fighters had fixed undercarriages and open cockpits. The IJN has a different Fighter they used at Pearl Harbor.

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He nods in turn to the Soviet captain, welcoming his presence in the flotilla... although somewhat mindful of his nation's tacit support for the Reich while Frenchmen fought and died in 1940.
Captain Fredegrad addresses Captain Marzin, "Stalin may have helped the Axis for a short while, but all has since vanished. Even before Germany attacked the motherland, many of us suspected the Nazis of betrayal and prepared for it. My father too fought against the Germans in the Second Fatherland War and his remains are lost in Poland."
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And in that vein, you'll need a Commodore. I'd suggest you hurry up and decide who will be leading this expedition (OOC: They'll be given permissions to edit on the map....just easier than letting everyone edit on the map)."
OOC: Is there anybody among us with a naval background who can be relied upon as a commodore? I'd like to make this game as realistic as possible.
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Well, I'm playing a destroyer and that makes the Captain a Lt. Commander or Commander at most rank-wise. So, while I know all that stuff about ship handling and formations and what not, I'm not in a position to run the formation.
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Well, I guess I could do it.

Things can get awkward real fast, and the language barrier could be the worst of it... or maybe even the least of it.

One thing I know for sure; Destroyers and Battleships don't belong in the same column. They move differently , and at this stage it would be very handy to know what the turning radius of each ship is like.
Anyone have access to World of Warships stats?

Having just a couple of DDs to escort 3 cruisers and a battleship isn't idea either.

Conventional wisdom would have the DDs ahead of us in an arrowhead formation , but that would interfere with our surface search radar readings.... the presence of land nearby has the same effect.
So... we need one formation for Day, and another for night.

Night time; DDs on either side of the rear of a line-ahead formation, the lead ship being the one with the best radar.
I need to find out which one that is, right now. It is either New Orleans or ... who?
The trailing cruiser should have the 2nd best radar and also work to coordinate the DDs.

Daylight is when we will be doing the shore bombardment. All we would do at that point is go ahead with the Line while the DDs fall back to form a protective arc so sea-wards.
Day formation should be a diamond as suggested, formed by the larger ships. We have to give each other room to maneuver and the DDs will be in arrowhead formation ahead of us... both these points are to foul the enemy aim with torpedoes.

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Look, here's what I'd recommend... Not as Admiral of the task force who might be a player without a ship or something...



Its two staggered lines ahead in column of division with the DD out front as pickets and for ASW purposes. The formation distances are such that the ships should be able to maneuver without too much difficulty and station keep with ease as they are in sight of each other day or night.

The danger from a sub is one that's ahead of the formation. The DD are sufficiently close, yet far enough apart, that their sonar should find a submerged one as the formation advances.

For anti-air purposes, the ships should maneuver independently as necessary to avoid being hit. Trying to stay in formation against an air attack is something only the two US ships present would have practice in.

The formation will have to zig - zag and that means wheel in line ahead formation while the DD corpin left or right as necessary to maintain their position relative to the formation.

Speed of advance would be 20 knots at most, maybe 15. This is a plant stress, fuel, and maneuvering issue. The faster we go, the harder it is to maintain station. If we're moving above 20 knots for long periods the DD will almost certainly get short on fuel as will the Russian cruiser. Then there's the plant stress. If anyone has any plant issues they'll fall out of formation because they can't hold it while they fix the problem. Loss of a shaft would make staying in formation at say 25 knots impossible for any of the ships present.

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To address the engine issues, I'm not going to be overly nit-picking about things like engine maintenance. Damage of course will factor in, and you'll be made aware of things. But as for 'maintenance issues' I'll do one roll before a mission and include maintenance issues in the mission brief (You're all at 100% maintenance at the moment, being at a major port and having over a week to perform tasks).

For your powertrains, this will be how it goes:

Anything that is 6kts or more under your ship's maximum speed will not invite a maintenance roll.

Anything that is 5kts or less under your ship's maximum speed will randomly invite maintenance rolls after 12 hours of steaming at that speed (aggregate in a mission). It won't be a case of 'every hour a roll occurs' but randomly a roll will happen after that point to determine if you have a boiler issue, turbine issue, or other powertrain issue.

I hope that clears that up.



Also, I'm waiting for one player to post in here, but you all can consider the roster closed with that one exception. I'll be finalizing the OOB of your adversary and I don't need TF Rainbow to turn into Rainbow Fleet in the meantime. I appreciate all the interest and participation, it's what makes a game like this enjoyable to me.
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Look, here's what I'd recommend... Not as Admiral of the task force who might be a player without a ship or something...



Its two staggered lines ahead in column of division with the DD out front as pickets and for ASW purposes. The formation distances are such that the ships should be able to maneuver without too much difficulty and station keep with ease as they are in sight of each other day or night.

The danger from a sub is one that's ahead of the formation. The DD are sufficiently close, yet far enough apart, that their sonar should find a submerged one as the formation advances.

For anti-air purposes, the ships should maneuver independently as necessary to avoid being hit. Trying to stay in formation against an air attack is something only the two US ships present would have practice in.

The formation will have to zig - zag and that means wheel in line ahead formation while the DD corpin left or right as necessary to maintain their position relative to the formation.

Speed of advance would be 20 knots at most, maybe 15. This is a plant stress, fuel, and maneuvering issue. The faster we go, the harder it is to maintain station. If we're moving above 20 knots for long periods the DD will almost certainly get short on fuel as will the Russian cruiser. Then there's the plant stress. If anyone has any plant issues they'll fall out of formation because they can't hold it while they fix the problem. Loss of a shaft would make staying in formation at say 25 knots impossible for any of the ships present.

Okay?

It looks good, but here is the trouble-

For night, the ASW ability of the DDs with sonar or asdic is limited by the limited speed they have to cruise at in order to hear anything.
Once again, a trade-off.
How many daylight hours and how many chances are we going to give the IJN to spot us before our night run can commence? We have a long way to go to reach the objective.
Should we resign ourselves to starting at midnight, and giving the IJN a full day's worth of observations?

It is December, but we are at the equator. I think that gives us an even 12 hour split in day v. night.

I thought we had 3 x DDs?


Okay, the other thing with the staggered line is the possibility of masking each other's fire. But, that is minor. I agree that the BB should be 2nd from last.

Let me show you what I think the Day formation should like;


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Heavy Cruiser
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This is primarily a AA formation, primarily vs Torpedo planes ... who would have to run a gauntlet to line up for a shot at anything heavier than a DD (destroyer). The French BB also has it's heaviest AAA at the rear. That is where the Dive-bombers will come from.
a distance of 500 yards will keep the ships far enough apart to avoid collisions, I hope, but it also puts them so far apart that MGs and light AA won't cover each other.
Trade offs, again.

Now... about that Battleship; all its big guns are up front.
I think we should hear from the French admiral about how that affects our formation options for a surface action.
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My revision for the approach;


The red shows the approximate period of daylight, but if someone could check my timing that would be great.
Hopefully, it works out to under 20 knots.
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The sets the Issac Sweers and Ericcson have would be good to about 15 knots with a range of about 4,000 to 6,000 yards on a sub. The big limitation is sweep rate. Both can only look at an 11 degree arc at a time, manually shifting with each search.

If we had more DD, the line abreast ahead of the formation would be thickened for ASW, and additional DD put on the flanks both for ASW and AAW. Putting the heavier units in a diamond means the formation has to corpen with each course change. This means the guide ship changes with each course change. Better to maintain a line ahead in divisions, staggering the lines and let the DD conform to course changes than having the guide ship for the formation changing.
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So the intent is to make the approach at 20 knots and then approach the targets from the NE?

Which way would we turn? South-east, correct?

Overall I would prefer to get as many cruisers as possible (and a certain unnamed vessel) fully engaged by dropping into line and passing one way across the engagement area 20km out.

I'm happy to shave some time off my course if you feel we can still evade the enemy on our approach, but would hope we can increase to flank speed on our journey home. Or the formation's flank, which I appreciate is not the same thing.

With regards to the Richie, we have a fair bit of AA to aft but still strongly prefer not to be the tail guard as it has some issues. We outrange everybody else (in the ocean as far as I know - bar carriers) so put me in the middle of the formation and we can turn as required.
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The new course brings us in closer to land on the way out. I am not happy with going through restricted waters. If we stayed on the original course through the Kepulauan Riau I would be happier. In fact if we keep to the original course, all we need do is make a port turn (Left!) when we reach the turn indicated on the second proposed course. Then we would be heading Southwest towards the beaches.

I have spent most of the last twenty something years in the Navy slowing down at night and inside restricted waters. I can handle something new. Will 20 knots get us there right as dawn breaks? I like the idea of coming amongst them with the Sun rising behind my back. By my count we have four Cruisers, one Battleship and two Destroyers, plus a mystery ship.

We can sail the Cruisers in a diamond formation around the Richelieu, but we need to think about a line ahead formation before we get there. If no one else has a better radar, put us in as lead in the Diamond and Line Ahead. I don't know if any of the Destroyers even have radar yet. We have a limited search distance of about 15 miles, so we will know of any ships ahead of us. Do we need to put English speakers on each ship?

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