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Looks like the situation may be resolved by blaming Russian hackers... again
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US investigators believe Russian hackers breached Qatar's state news agency and planted a fake news report that contributed to a crisis among the US' closest Gulf allies, according to US officials briefed on the investigation.
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In 2014 there was already a conflict between Qatar and the other 5 Muslim countries ,and, no one was claiming that it were the Russians . Thus, why would the Russians now be responsible ?

But ,I expect that in a few minutes some one will say that it is the fault of Trump : Massena:are you sleeping ?
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But ,I expect that in a few minutes some one will say that it is the fault of Trump : Massena:are you sleeping ?
Already happened
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No you still touch down with all three wheels at the same time
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The only people who touch all 3 elements simultaneous on tricycle aircraft are naval aviators. Landing a tricycle undercarriage fast jet on land strip is a flared approach (degree of flare depending on the particular aircraft and landing circumstance; faster you land, more flare). A cursory glance at Youtube will show this.

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Turkish support for Qatar is an interesting angle. Since Turkey is anti-Iran and anti-Shia, it suggest they do not see Qatar support for Iran as the main issue, but rather wish to prop up support for some other Sunni faction.

Somehow it all does not seem to add up though and some important pieces of the puzzle are missing.
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Turkish support for Qatar is an interesting angle. Since Turkey is anti-Iran and anti-Shia, it suggest they do not see Qatar support for Iran as the main issue, but rather wish to prop up support for some other Sunni faction.

Somehow it all does not seem to add up though and some important pieces of the puzzle are missing.
Well, from what I have read from Arab sources - and no, I am not suggesting they are correct or not - the explanation lay in Hamas (that's Hamas - the Palestinian group, not Hummus - the Levantine chickpea dip). Saudi Arabia has no problem with Qatar funding any and all Sunni extremist and terrorist groups (it does the same, after all) but draws the line at Hamas, because Hamas is anti-Israeli and Saudi Arabia values its relationship with Israel more than any notion of Palestinian statehood. Qatar, however, refused to cut ties with Hamas. Knowing that supporting Hamas alone would be insufficient in order to bring international pressure to bear on Qatar, Saudi Arabia accused Qatar of supporting ISIS - even though Saudi Arabia has also been supporting ISIS. Incidentally, Saudi sources had long claimed that Iran was somehow supporting ISIS even in the face of the apparent illogicality of Shia Iran supporting Sunni ISIS which has threatened to exterminate Shias. Now today, ISIS has claimed responsibility for a terrorist attack on the Iranian parliament.. So, the Iran-supporting-ISIS narrative lay in even more tatters. All in all, everything is very murky.
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Wasn't there an . . . . abortive Shia civil rights movement in Qatar a few years ago. After all, those uppity Shi'ites have the temerity to want to be treated like human beings in the countries of their birth. Gotta keep 'em in their place.
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Well, from what I have read from Arab sources - and no, I am not suggesting they are correct or not - the explanation lay in Hamas (that's Hamas - the Palestinian group, not Hummus - the Levantine chickpea dip). Saudi Arabia has no problem with Qatar funding any and all Sunni extremist and terrorist groups (it does the same, after all) but draws the line at Hamas, because Hamas is anti-Israeli and Saudi Arabia values its relationship with Israel more than any notion of Palestinian statehood. Qatar, however, refused to cut ties with Hamas. Knowing that supporting Hamas alone would be insufficient in order to bring international pressure to bear on Qatar, Saudi Arabia accused Qatar of supporting ISIS - even though Saudi Arabia has also been supporting ISIS. Incidentally, Saudi sources had long claimed that Iran was somehow supporting ISIS even in the face of the apparent illogicality of Shia Iran supporting Sunni ISIS which has threatened to exterminate Shias. Now today, ISIS has claimed responsibility for a terrorist attack on the Iranian parliament.. So, the Iran-supporting-ISIS narrative lay in even more tatters. All in all, everything is very murky.
That seems to all tally pretty well. Still surprised that Turkey went out on limb on this one. Not obvious to me what's in it for them.
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1. Report the Turkish government has apparently authorised the dispatch of 5000 troops to Qatar
2. Unconfirmed report of a plane arriving in Qatar from Latakia, Syria (read: Russian air base).
3. UAE to prosecute any citizen expressing support for Qatar.
4. al-Nusrah (al-Qaeda in Syria) has declared support for Qatar
5. German forces officially leaving Turkey's Incirlik air force base and heading to Jordan
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American enemy Iran now airlifting food supplies to American ally Qatar currently being blockaded by American ally Saudi Arabia, while troops from American ally Turkey and possibly advisors from American enemy Russia will (or already are) arrive to protect American ally Qatar from possible attack from American ally Saudi Arabia. It's a clown show...
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Business usual in the ME ?
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American enemy Iran now airlifting food supplies to American ally Qatar currently being blockaded by American ally Saudi Arabia, while troops from American ally Turkey and possibly advisors from American enemy Russia will (or already are) arrive to protect American ally Qatar from possible attack from American ally Saudi Arabia. It's a clown show...
American enemy ISIS attacks American enemy Iran - as I said earlier the binary option doesn't work in the ME - never really has. During WW1 British and Turkish troops (enemies) sometimes found themselves jointly fighting Arab Forces (Britain's ally).
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