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Qatarwauling in the Gulf

Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have cut off diplomatic relations with Qatar claiming that Qatar supports Islamic terrorism (I am shocked—shocked—to find that gambling is going on in here!.. ). Egypt has taken the side of Saudi Arabia. Turkish forces have apparently arrived in Qatar over the past few days in support of kingdom. Pakistan has refused demands it break off relations with Qatar. Talk of an imminent Saudi-sponsored coup in the kingdom. Qatari air force flying around the clock over the capital.

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Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have cut off diplomatic relations with Qatar claiming that Qatar supports Islamic terrorism (I am shocked—shocked—to find that gambling is going on in here!.. ). Egypt has taken the side of Saudi Arabia. Turkish forces have apparently arrived in Qatar over the past few days in support of kingdom. Pakistan has refused demands it break off relations with Qatar. Talk of an imminent Saudi-sponsored coup in the kingdom. Qatari air force flying around the clock over the capital.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gu...-idUSKBN18W0DQ
Well I hope that the Qatari air force is more effective than it was when I lived there. It was more dangerous to anyone under the flightpath than any enemy. One Mirage made a perfect three pointer - apart from the fact that the pilot forgot to lower the undercart - and then ejected. The aircraft nearly took out the old Gulf Hotel.

Some Qataris could be quite devious but extremely bad at it. I was leading a team putting a complete set of modern accounting procedures in the state oil company along with some major financial systems - all at the insistence of the General Manager. The first thing the new systems that he insisted on did was to reveal that he had been syphoning substantial amounts of oil off into the Dutch spot market!

Qatar always used to regard Saudi as a big brother (not in the 1984 sense) and Saudi always took their side in disputes. I suspect that the real issue is that little brother has been getting above himself and big brother has taken umbrage.

Saudi has always taken the view that their Eastern border runs right down the middle of the Gulf and the various emirate including Qatar only have an independent existence on Saudi's sufferance. In the past only Oman dared put two fingers up to this (and Saudi used S Yemen to start a proxy war against Oman - one that the SAS helped Oman to win) - they don't take kindly to uppity emirates.
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The Americans are enlisting the Gulf States to isolate the Iran-Russia Axis in the Mid East. Hence the timing of this event.
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The Americans are enlisting the Gulf States to isolate the Iran-Russia Axis in the Mid East. Hence the timing of this event.
To try and slaughter the wrong pig, again.
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These same Gulf countries did the same thing in 2014, when Qatar sided with then-Egyptian President Morsi and the Brotherhood.
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The Americans are enlisting the Gulf States to isolate the Iran-Russia Axis in the Mid East. Hence the timing of this event.
Probably not given that the US forces in the region are heavily dependent for logistic support in using facilities in Doha Qatar at which they have considerable assets, not to mention one of the longest runways in the region. It would seem an embarrassment to be avoided, at least until Iraq and Syria have settled down and some what inept to initiate such circumstances (however given the inexperience of the current administration who knows?).

It seems likely that Saudi has being getting increasingly annoyed at Qatar's antics and the current payment of a vast ransom to Iranian militia elements (for kidnapped members of the Qatari royal family) broke the camels back. Its not so much the terrorist connections as the Iranian terrorist connections that did it. The other emirates usually jump when Saudi tells them and Egypt is so heavily dependent on Saudi money (not least in the form of remittances from the huge number of Egyptian professionals who work in Saudi) that they would also say "how high?"
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Qatar is being accused of being both supportive of IS
AND of being supportive of Iran.

This doens't make sense as Iran is fighting IS in Syria.

There is more to this then meets the eye.
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This doens't make sense as Iran is fighting IS in Syria.

There is more to this then meets the eye.
Or much less. My enemy's enemy is my friend doesn't always work, especially in the ME, However accusing Qatar of supporting both IS and Iran gets everyone on side - simple as that. In any case its quite possible that there are factions in Qatar that support one and others the other. These countries aren't monolithic and can often be internally fractious. One of the besetting problems in the region is getting everyone to agree on anything
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This doens't make sense as Iran is fighting IS in Syria.

There is more to this then meets the eye.
Thats what I am thinking.
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Working for both sides may seem like a cute idea, but it does not make you any friends.
And in a region where Byzantine politics is the name of the game, Qatar (pronounced "gutter", appropriately enough) is just plain weird.

I'm not even getting into this. The whole thing is just too slimy.
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Working for both sides may seem like a cute idea, but it does not make you any friends.
And in a region where Byzantine politics is the name of the game, Qatar (pronounced "gutter", appropriately enough) is just plain weird.

I'm not even getting into this. The whole thing is just too slimy.
Not peculiar to Qatar. Turkey is confronting ISIS and also confronting the Kurds who are also confronting ISIS. As I said the old bimary model no longer works in the ME
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