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Trailer for Tuntematon Sotilas

So new trailer came for the Finnish film 'Tuntematon Sotilas' (Eng: 'Unknown Soldier') which is to be released later this year (2017). It is based on the book 'Tuntematon Sotilas' by Väinö Linna (1954) and its less edited version 'Sotaromaani' ('War Novel') by same author released posthumously in 2000. Book itself is a classic in Finnish literature. And kinda in the army too. Writer himself served in the Finnish Army during the Continuation War 1941-44 in the 8th Infantry Regiment (Jalkaväkirykmentti 8 - abbreviated often to 'JR 8') and book follows the same route that regiment took. It is based on real events but characters, while based on real life persons, tend to be amalgams of several real persons and/or - especially in the case of officers - caricatures or archetypes. Writer really excels in psychology of the characters and in the characterization of them, especially linguistic things like different dialects come really through in the native Finnish version of the book & movie. Which unfortunately also means that most of the translations would be rated 'rather bad' by most Finns.

This is the second reshoot of the film. Original black and white movie of (1955, directed by Edvin Laine) holds truly legendary reputation in Finland. For various reasons, not the least because it is shown in TV every year on the Finnish Independence Day. First reshoot was made in 1985 by Rauni Mollberg and is in my opinion better movie and more true to the book than the 1955 film in tone.


It features rather typical fairly dry Finnish humor in it such as follow (even in trailer):
- One Finnish soldier can take on ten Russians...
- And when the eleventh comes?

Or when preparing to spring an ambush:
- Soon you'll see how the lord calls upon his own. If they have made any sin please old man of heaven forgive them. But do hurry up, they start coming right now.

Some one's collections of small bits from 1985 film, sort of a trailer of it

For comparison, since i found them on youtube, the first 'assault' of the 1955 film and the 1985 film. Aspects ratios and translations are horrible. For example in one scene mortars are referred to as slingshots. Mortar = kranaatinheitin (grenade thrower), often shortened to 'heitin' (thrower ~ slingshot).
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Trailer looks good...except I hope there's no romantic story imposed there as it slightly suggests.
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I wish there were more Finish/ Nordic historical films made in English. I really dislike subtitled films.
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Trailer looks good...except I hope there's no romantic story imposed there as it slightly suggests.
We shall see. There is a bit about the romance thing in the book. But not much.



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I wish there were more Finish/ Nordic historical films made in English. I really dislike subtitled films.
Here the subtitling is the norm. If you go to movies the films often have two subtitlings - one in Finnish and another one in Swedish. Dubbing is reserved for children's movies (i.e. for those who are not yet literate) - but even then in theaters there often runs a subtitled version in another room (auditorium, hall, not sure what you would call it). There was an attempt to push dubbing more widely here but it got so bad reviews that attempts to make it wider were discontinued - or then the companies trying to do that went bankrupt - Finnish people simply hated it.
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Watched the film.

Liked it.

Romance aspect was certainly not that big - it mainly acted as a tool to show the hardships of the homefront as well. The film - which was quite clearly cut - was about 3 h long, but there already is a TV series version of the film (5 x 50 min) in the works. Kinda like there was of the Talvisota.
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Not perhaps saying much but so far the new film has been beating the box office records in Finland (for domestic films). And also beat the records for the most watched film (from gross revenue) of 2017 by fair margin - being about 3 times as popular as the runner up. Which is not really that surprising since current number is that over 500 000 movie goers have seen the film in Finland (~10% of the population of Finland).

International release apparently happened already in both Tallinn (Estonia) as well as at a festival in Killkenny (Ireland). Though it appears that international audience will be getting a 133 minute long version instead of the 179 min version shown in Finnish movie theaters.
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They should sell it to Netflix.
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Noticed couple of YouTube clips of the film... First one actually has English subtitling. And it too was based on actual events - the actual person (Viljam Pylkäs) who was used by the author of the original war as a basis for the character of Rokka did pretty much what was shown in the clip (including getting wounded to the head).



Sort of mishmash of scenes (~6 min) from the movie to give an idea what to expect of it. The scenes are not in any particular order though so it might be a tad misleading - but it should make it obvious that the movie is not a 'hero worship' or 'pro-war' work but more of a rather honest view (with good & bad) of war from front line perspective.

And for those really interested making of interviews (17 min, with English translations).
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So new trailer came for the Finnish film 'Tuntematon Sotilas' (Eng: 'Unknown Soldier') which is to be released later this year (2017). It is based on the book 'Tuntematon Sotilas' by Väinö Linna (1954) and its less edited version 'Sotaromaani' ('War Novel') by same author released posthumously in 2000. Book itself is a classic in Finnish literature. And kinda in the army too. Writer himself served in the Finnish Army during the Continuation War 1941-44 in the 8th Infantry Regiment (Jalkaväkirykmentti 8 - abbreviated often to 'JR 8') and book follows the same route that regiment took. It is based on real events but characters, while based on real life persons, tend to be amalgams of several real persons and/or - especially in the case of officers - caricatures or archetypes. Writer really excels in psychology of the characters and in the characterization of them, especially linguistic things like different dialects come really through in the native Finnish version of the book & movie. Which unfortunately also means that most of the translations would be rated 'rather bad' by most Finns.

This is the second reshoot of the film. Original black and white movie of (1955, directed by Edvin Laine) holds truly legendary reputation in Finland. For various reasons, not the least because it is shown in TV every year on the Finnish Independence Day. First reshoot was made in 1985 by Rauni Mollberg and is in my opinion better movie and more true to the book than the 1955 film in tone.


It features rather typical fairly dry Finnish humor in it such as follow (even in trailer):
- One Finnish soldier can take on ten Russians...
- And when the eleventh comes?

Or when preparing to spring an ambush:
- Soon you'll see how the lord calls upon his own. If they have made any sin please old man of heaven forgive them. But do hurry up, they start coming right now.

Some one's collections of small bits from 1985 film, sort of a trailer of it

For comparison, since i found them on youtube, the first 'assault' of the 1955 film and the 1985 film. Aspects ratios and translations are horrible. For example in one scene mortars are referred to as slingshots. Mortar = kranaatinheitin (grenade thrower), often shortened to 'heitin' (thrower ~ slingshot).
I enjoyed the 1955 and 1985 versions of the film, and I will watch the new one too.
Since I retired from my movie retail business, I lost my Finnish source for good historical Finnish productions.

I really liked:

1.) Raja 1918
2.) The Ambush
3.) Kaski (Tears of April)
4.) Lotta (Sister)
5.) Beyond the front line
6.) The Interrogation

Are there any more in this category, I could get my hands on ?
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I enjoyed the 1955 and 1985 versions of the film, and I will watch the new one too.
Since I retired from my movie retail business, I lost my Finnish source for good historical Finnish productions.

I really liked:

1.) Raja 1918
2.) The Ambush
3.) Kaski (Tears of April)
4.) Lotta (Sister)
5.) Beyond the front line
6.) The Interrogation

Are there any more in this category, I could get my hands on ?
I assume you refer to films with some military historical relations? I haven't seen all of the below but they are part of the breed of films in that line...

Täällä pohjantähden alla (Beneath the North Star), both parts I and II - IIRC re-filmed in 2009. Though not stunningly good as a movies (as by traditional movie standards) they are a brilliant view into the past, from late 19th century to the early 20th century through the Russia rule, civil unrest, civil war, and so on. Not a strictly war movie though the civil war and the related events took a center stage in it later on.

Tali-Ihantala 1944 (2007) - another example of Finnish movies that border more on being dramatized documentaries than an actual film. That is as a traditional movie that is truly an utter piece of garbage. However for a military history buff it is actually a fairly good film - assuming you are already aware of what it is depicting, how, when, by whom and so on. A pure war movie.

Hiljaisuus (Silence) - is a movie or docudrama (hard to tell at times) of the burial details (in the Finnish sense of the term, films wikipage explains that a bit: the film details the life and times of the members of a specialized Finnish army unit, commanded by a priest, whose difficult and dangerous assignment is to recover dead soldiers from the front lines, prepare their often frozen bodies for burial, and deliver them to their hometowns and families for funeral and burial.) during the war time.

Kätilö (Wildeye) - that 'translation really took me by a surprise, as 'kätilö' actually translates into 'midwife'. Story of a relation between Finnish (or Lapp) midwife and German SS officer set against the background of the Lapland War. Complained as being too confusing and Hollywood like but it still won some awards.

Ikitie (The Eternal Road) (2017) - Review you can find here: http://variety.com/2018/film/reviews...ew-1202630450/
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Talvisota is still the best finnish war-film out there.
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Talvisota is still the best finnish war-film out there.
Well... That is a matter of an opinion. And depends a lot as to which version of the film you see. The butchered 'international' edition is not (original: 199 min, TV series: 265 min, international: 125 min) all that great.
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I assume you refer to films with some military historical relations? I haven't seen all of the below but they are part of the breed of films in that line...

Täällä pohjantähden alla (Beneath the North Star), both parts I and II - IIRC re-filmed in 2009. Though not stunningly good as a movies (as by traditional movie standards) they are a brilliant view into the past, from late 19th century to the early 20th century through the Russia rule, civil unrest, civil war, and so on. Not a strictly war movie though the civil war and the related events took a center stage in it later on.

Tali-Ihantala 1944 (2007) - another example of Finnish movies that border more on being dramatized documentaries than an actual film. That is as a traditional movie that is truly an utter piece of garbage. However for a military history buff it is actually a fairly good film - assuming you are already aware of what it is depicting, how, when, by whom and so on. A pure war movie.

Hiljaisuus (Silence) - is a movie or docudrama (hard to tell at times) of the burial details (in the Finnish sense of the term, films wikipage explains that a bit: the film details the life and times of the members of a specialized Finnish army unit, commanded by a priest, whose difficult and dangerous assignment is to recover dead soldiers from the front lines, prepare their often frozen bodies for burial, and deliver them to their hometowns and families for funeral and burial.) during the war time.

Kätilö (Wildeye) - that 'translation really took me by a surprise, as 'kätilö' actually translates into 'midwife'. Story of a relation between Finnish (or Lapp) midwife and German SS officer set against the background of the Lapland War. Complained as being too confusing and Hollywood like but it still won some awards.

Ikitie (The Eternal Road) (2017) - Review you can find here: http://variety.com/2018/film/reviews...ew-1202630450/
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Täällä pohjantähden alla (Beneath the North Star), both parts I and II

both are very good.

I've not seen
Hiljaisuus[/I] [I](Silence)[/

Gone look out for this on.

I have seen Kätilö (Wildeye)[

The German release version, and it was very good.

I'm gonna look for
Ikitie (The Eternal Road)[/

Looks pretty interesting.
Thank you for sharing those.

Are there perhaps any older ones, or miniseries I might have missed ?
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Just a note... I was really mystified about this: 3.) Kaski (Tears of April) - the English language name clarified which movie it was but its name is 'Käsky' ('Order' - as in the ones issued in military). 'Kaski' on the other hand means 'swidden' - or 'slash-and-burn' (as in farming) - often as in an area of land recently subjected to the slash-and-burn farming.

As to the additional movies... There are quite a few but quality is not typically good. Additionally there was earlier an acute shortage of actors in Finland but not any real shortage of films which means that if you delve to the old B&W era of 'Suomi Filmi' you will end up with loads of historical stories - typically fictional with ridiculously over the top theatrical acting - all with the same ensemble of actors.

Vartioitu Kylä 1944 (Guarded Village 1944) (1978) is a bit hard to follow tale of a long range patrol trooper suffering from PTSD (and other mental woes) returning to home and subsequent collisions with the past and the present.

Sissit (1963) is another war movie. And old school war movie at that. Dealing again with mental stuff though that might not be immediately obvious.

The Boys (1962) is a film dealing with lives of the teenage boys back at the homefront. IIRC that is. It is set in Oulu - a Finnish town in the German side side of the demarcation line both during the tail end of the Continuation War and then the Lapland War.

Hylätyt talot, autiot pihat (Abandoned houses, empty fields) (2000) is a film about the Karelian evacuees. Of the second time they had to evacuate in 1944 that is.

Äideistä parhain (Mother of Mine) (2005) of the 'war children' - i.e. children who were evacuated to Sweden during the war time. Their live, experiences. Psychological consequences of such fostering. And so on.

There are more like 'Kersantin kunnia' (Sergeant's honor; kinda of pre-Winter War preparations); 'Taistelu Näsilinnasta 1918' (Battle of Näsilinna 1918; part of the Finnish Civil War's battle of Tampere), Manillaköysi (Manilla rope; A story of a soldier who tries to smuggle a manilla rope he scavenged back to homefront), and so on...



There exists of course large amounts of non-war related Finnish films too.
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