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I believe the series will end with Jon Snow aka Jaehaerys Targaryan III son of Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark and thus true heir to the Iron Throne, marrying his aunt Danyris in some sort of political marriage alliance thus uniting their forces and reestablishing the Targaryan Dynasty in joint rule.

The story will come full circle with Jon Snow entering King's Landing and finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne after he has killed the mad tyrant Cersei saving the city from her tyrannical rule. This will also fulfill the propecy that Cersei will be murdered by her "little brother" (which she assumed was Tyrion but she is indeed older than Jaime by a few minutes thus making HIM her "little brother").

Jaime will finish his redemption arc and will be installed as Commander of Jon's Kings Guard and will be reunited with his brother Tyrion who will remain as Hand of the King.

The White Walkers will be destroyed in an epic battle with Dragons, heroes and Lords using their family heirlooms made of Valryian Steel and armies wielding weapons mined from Dragonstone.

And they all live happily ever after lol
I had a nerd discussion with a friend where we basically concluded that unless John Snow alone wins, there will be no lasting peace in Westeros.

Danerys was doing good with her "breaker of chains" sales pitch but she done goofed when she brought the Dothraki over with the navy. The Dothraki have shown themselves never to honor a Khal or Khaleesi one second after their pulse stops (or is imminently about to stop) so once Danerys dies, two things will happen. One, her dragons are no longer under control unless she produces an air they take a shine to and two, the Dothraki are officially out as far as their loyalty goes and they will start tearing across Westeros and terrorizing the population.

Danerys will have to "westeronize" the Dothraki if they are to become acceptable members of the island population or John Snow better Order 66 the lot of them at the earliest opportunity. Otherwise its right back to perpetual warfare.
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I had a nerd discussion with a friend where we basically concluded that unless John Snow alone wins, there will be no lasting peace in Westeros.

Danerys was doing good with her "breaker of chains" sales pitch but she done goofed when she brought the Dothraki over with the navy. The Dothraki have shown themselves never to honor a Khal or Khaleesi one second after their pulse stops (or is imminently about to stop) so once Danerys dies, two things will happen. One, her dragons are no longer under control unless she produces an air they take a shine to and two, the Dothraki are officially out as far as their loyalty goes and they will start tearing across Westeros and terrorizing the population.

Danerys will have to "westeronize" the Dothraki if they are to become acceptable members of the island population or John Snow better Order 66 the lot of them at the earliest opportunity. Otherwise its right back to perpetual warfare.
As per original books perpetual war would be more like it; but the tv series has ages ago moved into the realm of Hollywood writing(the last couple of seasons have marched down the road of decreasing quality like an army trained for parade). I think there's about 50 - 50 chance that we will have some kind of "eternal peace, sunshine and kisses, everyone returns from dead" ending for the series.
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What a cliffhanger at the end of 4th episode! Man, the battle was well done, apparently the Mother of Dragons wised up and got good advice in the end.
Good show, with a dragon use to max effect during the battle.

I'm maybe expecting too much in terms of reality and historical military accuracy and not simply enjoying the story unfold...But:

- With a dragon showing up with the opposition, wouldn't a sound commander get the ballista crewed and ready as soon as possible, instead of sending his right hand man to go do it - alone - in the middle of the battle after the dragon did the damage ?...And only after using the archers to no effects! Really, Jaime has a ballistae as part of his weapon inventory but does not think about it until the battle has well started!!!

- No flank patrols to alert the main body about an attack by Dothkari...The sound of hoofs heard by Bronn is what initiate a reaction!

- I understand that the Dothraki pushing through the hole in the enemy ranks made by the dragon, but breaking a shield wall made up of disciplined troops, spiked with spears and supported by archers!!!!

Is it only me or others saw this too?

Well, Jon Snow did not impress me as a tactical commander at the Battle of the Bastards (Senza probably has a better sense of what was needed before the battle.)

And now Jaime is showing a lack of tactical skills in battle!
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Good show, with a dragon use to max effect during the battle.

I'm maybe expecting too much in terms of reality and historical military accuracy and not simply enjoying the story unfold...But:

- With a dragon showing up with the opposition, wouldn't a sound commander get the ballista crewed and ready as soon as possible, instead of sending his right hand man to go do it - alone - in the middle of the battle after the dragon did the damage ?...And only after using the archers to no effects! Really, Jaime has a ballistae as part of his weapon inventory but does not think about it until the battle has well started!!!

- No flank patrols to alert the main body about an attack by Dothkari...The sound of hoofs heard by Bronn is what initiate a reaction!

- I understand that the Dothraki pushing through the hole in the enemy ranks made by the dragon, but breaking a shield wall made up of disciplined troops, spiked with spears and supported by archers!!!!

Is it only me or others saw this too?

Well, Jon Snow did not impress me as a tactical commander at the Battle of the Bastards (Senza probably has a better sense of what was needed before the battle.)

And now Jaime is showing a lack of tactical skills in battle!
Actually the fact that the Lannisters held as long as they did seems unrealistic. Unless they had been prepared and drilled to confront a dragon I would have thought their moral would have broken after the first flame attack.
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Good show, with a dragon use to max effect during the battle.

I'm maybe expecting too much in terms of reality and historical military accuracy and not simply enjoying the story unfold...But:

- With a dragon showing up with the opposition, wouldn't a sound commander get the ballista crewed and ready as soon as possible, instead of sending his right hand man to go do it - alone - in the middle of the battle after the dragon did the damage ?...And only after using the archers to no effects! Really, Jaime has a ballistae as part of his weapon inventory but does not think about it until the battle has well started!!!

- No flank patrols to alert the main body about an attack by Dothkari...The sound of hoofs heard by Bronn is what initiate a reaction!

- I understand that the Dothraki pushing through the hole in the enemy ranks made by the dragon, but breaking a shield wall made up of disciplined troops, spiked with spears and supported by archers!!!!

Is it only me or others saw this too?

Well, Jon Snow did not impress me as a tactical commander at the Battle of the Bastards (Senza probably has a better sense of what was needed before the battle.)

And now Jaime is showing a lack of tactical skills in battle!
The vast, vast majority of viewers wanted to see exactly what was shown; the dragon and a battle for khaleesi to win. Which goes back to the Hollywood writing...the rest of things, such as strategy/tactics/why the books are so popular are just gonna get worse
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My guesses:

-The Eununch will try to betray Dany and be burnt alive

-I don't think Dany will win in the end. She is written as a flawed character. It's likely that either the Iron Throne is abolished or Jon Snow will sit on it.

-With the loot for the "Golden company" (to double the Lannister's 10,000 man army) gone, the Lannisters are down to just themselves and Euron's fleet again.

-Dany is down to the Dothraki and her dragons. The unsullied are marooned. She will try to link up with them. This may or may not succeed. The unsullied are expendable.

-Dany's dragons and the Northerners (equipped with dragon glass) will be effective against the Night King.

-The Lannister's army will be ineffective against the Night King.

-The end will come (S8) when both sides have exhausted themselves. It will come to what remains of Dany's dragons and the Dothraki or unsullied. It is possible that Euron will be destroyed by Dany's dragons. What's left of the Lannisters are fighting against the Northerners, too.

-So the North will take the Throne or the Throne will be abolished for some other form of gov't.
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The lannisters will likely deploy more new technology to even the odds against their enemies.

-Dragons (better AA weapons, perhaps a repeating crossbow or wildfire flak!)

-Dothraki (some kind of a wildfire related ambush, since the regular army seems to struggle against them).
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-I don't think Dany will win in the end. She is written as a flawed character. It's likely that either the Iron Throne is abolished or Jon Snow will sit on it.
I too tend to think this. Ever since she had that vision/dream of herself standing in the devastated throne room in King's Landing, it was snowing, and she went out and entered a tent where she met the dead Khal and their dead child. .

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-Dany's dragons and the Northerners (equipped with dragon glass) will be effective against the Night King.
I think we'll see something from the God of Fire too. Some kind of miraculous intervention on his part.

As for the poison that might be in the Scorpion arrow the Lannisters used... I think the Red Woman will work on that. She once drank poison and the amulet around her neck "activated" and neutralised it.
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As per original books perpetual war would be more like it; but the tv series has ages ago moved into the realm of Hollywood writing(the last couple of seasons have marched down the road of decreasing quality like an army trained for parade). I think there's about 50 - 50 chance that we will have some kind of "eternal peace, sunshine and kisses, everyone returns from dead" ending for the series.
Which would be so out of character for George R R Martin.

When Jaime charged the dragon I thought he was literal toast. That last minute push into the water was definitely pure Hollywood.
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Which would be so out of character for George R R Martin.

When Jaime charged the dragon I thought he was literal toast. That last minute push into the water was definitely pure Hollywood.
But what about Cersei's own prophecy of her death at hands of a little brother? After all, it could be Jaime as Cersei was born first, so technically that makes him the younger brother. I don't think it will be Tyrion who does the deed.
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One thought.

Danny destroyed all the food being carried by the Lannister army. The food that they had stolen from the Tyrells.

This was a mistake. Not only will the Tyrells starve but her own army won't have any food. It would have been better to concentrate on destroying the Lannister army and capture the food intact.
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One thought.

Danny destroyed all the food being carried by the Lannister army. The food that they had stolen from the Tyrells.

This was a mistake. Not only will the Tyrells starve but her own army won't have any food. It would have been better to concentrate on destroying the Lannister army and capture the food intact.
I was thinking the same: why are you destroying the baggage train and all the booty? Mind, dragons aren't necessarily the most easily controlled ordnance.
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I was thinking the same: why are you destroying the baggage train and all the booty? Mind, dragons aren't necessarily the most easily controlled ordnance.
It looked like Danny was directing Drogon to attack the wagons rather than simply collateral damage.
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