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Old 24 May 17, 18:45
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No possibility that he is biased toward Soviet equipment, is there?
Chess is the Sport of this nation. All that matters is winning. They won. The T-34 is part of that equation.

Concerning tanks, the T-34 was probably the best tank in any armies service 22.6.41. Upgraded with a 3 man turret and a really decent 85mm in 44, it was probably the best medium tank once more in the world, until the arrival of the irrelevant Comet.
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My favorite little known factoid is the refusal of America to buy the Christie suspension which allowed a tank to achieve high speeds over rough terrain. Instead, Christie was finally forced to sell it to the Russians, who used it on the T-34's.

I often wonder what a Sherman could have done equipped with Chiie's suspension.

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The French Char B1 bis was equipped with a telegraphic radio rather than a radiotelephone. (I think some of the other models also had Morse radios.) I've read that the crews, or at least the RTO, found this more effective since it was not affected as much by the engine and battle noise.

The Japanese Type 94 tankette and Type 97 Te-Ke light tank both had asbestos liners. Some sources call it an anti-spalling liner and others say it's insulation. Since both could be penetrated by concentrated small arms fire I'd expect small fragment spalling would have been a concern. I would also expect that any external heat source that necessitated asbestos would likely be serious enough to make the crew bail out or die.
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No possibility that he is biased toward Soviet equipment, is there?
Very likely - and yet still he compliments the US and UK tanks for their ductile armour and criticized the T-34s armour for its tendency to spall.

I.e. - the point behind my quoting him....
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The French Char B1 bis was equipped with a telegraphic radio rather than a radiotelephone. (I think some of the other models also had Morse radios.) I've read that the crews, or at least the RTO, found this more effective since it was not affected as much by the engine and battle noise.
I was under the impression that most tank radios had an option for telegraphic/Morse communication? Using this form of communication extended range considerably, apparently.
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Very likely - and yet still he compliments the US and UK tanks for their ductile armour and criticized the T-34s armour for its tendency to spall.

I.e. - the point behind my quoting him....
Question please, must be a new word? ...Spall. STOP!!!!! My apologies, just looked it up in the Dictionary and found it! lcm1
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I was under the impression that most tank radios had an option for telegraphic/Morse communication? Using this form of communication extended range considerably, apparently.
I think lot of radios had the option at that time and code most certainly has longer range than voice because it remains understandable long past the range where voice becomes unintelligible. You can tell that someone's speaking but can't make out the words while the dot and dash sounds of the Morse key remain clear through a greater amount of electronic and local noise.

The French tank radios were Morse only so their commander to RTO to code to RTO to recipients communication was slower than voice.
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The Japanese Type 94 tankette and Type 97 Te-Ke light tank both had asbestos liners. Some sources call it an anti-spalling liner and others say it's insulation. Since both could be penetrated by concentrated small arms fire I'd expect small fragment spalling would have been a concern. I would also expect that any external heat source that necessitated asbestos would likely be serious enough to make the crew bail out or die.
The British also experimented with asbestos on their tanks prewar as a cooling method.

Tank from the 6th battalion of the Royal Tank Corps covered in asbestos sheets.
Medium Tank Mk.II: Interbellum Long-Liver:
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In the mid 1930s, the 6th battalion of the Royal Tank Corps in Egypt received five Medium Tanks Mk.II*. To reduce high temperatures that led to overheating, the tank was covered in asbestos from the outside
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With 6RTC again. These vehicles were asbestos clad, and the panels are visible in this picture
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The British also experimented with asbestos on their tanks prewar as a cooling method.

Tank from the 6th battalion of the Royal Tank Corps covered in asbestos sheets.
Medium Tank Mk.II: Interbellum Long-Liver:

Vickers Medium Tank:

With 6RTC again. These vehicles were asbestos clad, and the panels are visible in this picture
Wrong I'm afraid. The first photo does indeed show a Mk II Tropical with woven asbestos sun shields. Only five were built and sent to Egypt in 1928. The second however shows a Mk II** of 1932. These were conversions from standard Mk IIs and had no asbestos but were converted to act as commanders tanks with the clearly visible turret back extension to carry wireless equipment and a commanders cupola in the turret roof
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Wrong I'm afraid. The first photo does indeed show a Mk II Tropical with woven asbestos sun shields. Only five were built and sent to Egypt in 1928. The second however shows a Mk II** of 1932. These were conversions from standard Mk IIs and had no asbestos but were converted to act as commanders tanks with the clearly visible turret back extension to carry wireless equipment and a commanders cupola in the turret roof
Thanks for the corrections. Can you please provide the sources for the above information as the websites linked to in my post obviously contain incorrect information that should be corrected.
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Thanks for the corrections. Can you please provide the sources for the above information as the websites linked to in my post obviously contain incorrect information that should be corrected.
Tanks of the World 1915 -45 Chamberlain and Ellis, pages 80 -81 see photos 69 and 72
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My favorite little known factoid is the refusal of America to buy the Christie suspension which allowed a tank to achieve high speeds over rough terrain. Instead, Christie was finally forced to sell it to the Russians, who used it on the T-34's.

I often wonder what a Sherman could have done equipped with Chiie's suspension.

If we are talking similar weight of tank, with similar gun and protection we have a contender .



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