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Interesting map depicting the various tribes of America

I was greatly impressed by the mapmaking ability of one Aaron Carapella. Carapella hails from the honorable Cherokee tribe and showcases a deep love for his people, something we all need to learn from. All of us should be proud of our background like Carapella is.

Just look at the detailed work from Carapella, whom put hours upon hours into researching the various tribes of America.



For his work Carapella has been praised by Doug Herman from the Smithsonian National Museum.


"You can look at [Carapella's] map, and you can sort of get it immediately," Herman says. "This is Indian Country, and it's not the Indian Country that I thought it was because all these names are different."


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We can all learn from Aaron Carapella,




Here is Mr Carapellas website which showcases the various maps created by Carapella,

http://www.tribalnationsmaps.com/sto..._Products.html
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The Indian tribes moved around a bit over time. The Cheyenne once lived in the Black Hills and the Shawnee had clans on the Gulf of Mexico. I did not see the Attakappa Nation in Southeast Texas and Southwest Louisiana. They have pretty much died out but some of us remember them. They gave the name of Indian Lake to what is now Prien Lake. A High School in Lake Charles called itself the Indians in honor of them. My brother-in-law has the remains of a burial grave on his property.

The Comanche came down from Wyoming and settled the Southern Great Plains. They ranged from Kansas to Oklahoma to Staked Plains of Texas. They raided into Mexico and New Mexico as well as Texas.

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I was greatly impressed by the mapmaking ability of one Aaron Carapella. Carapella hails from the honorable Cherokee tribe and showcases a deep love for his people, something we all need to learn from. All of us should be proud of our background like Carapella is.

Just look at the detailed work from Carapella, whom put hours upon hours into researching the various tribes of America.



For his work Carapella has been praised by Doug Herman from the Smithsonian National Museum.


"You can look at [Carapella's] map, and you can sort of get it immediately," Herman says. "This is Indian Country, and it's not the Indian Country that I thought it was because all these names are different."


http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...er-seen-before
... money grab, aimed at the ignorant who want something to put on their wall, and those who simply want to belong. Producing a definitive map incorporating First Nations and/or "Tribes", is a physical impossibility because of time sensitivity; you don't have to spend much time with the subject matter to realise that.
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The Indian tribes moved around a bit over time. The Cheyenne once lived in the Black Hills and the Shawnee had clans on the Gulf of Mexico. I did not see the Attakappa Nation in Southeast Texas and Southwest Louisiana. They have pretty much died out but some of us remember them. They gave the name of Indian Lake to what is now Prien Lake. A High School in Lake Charles called itself the Indians in honor of them. My brother-in-law has the remains of a burial grave on his property.

The Comanche came down from Wyoming and settled the Southern Great Plains. They ranged from Kansas to Oklahoma to Staked Plains of Texas. They raided into Mexico and New Mexico as well as Texas.

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The Comanche in their heyday raided from Mexico City to Canada. If it had four legs those bastards would steal it.
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The Indian tribes moved around a bit over time.

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I think you're being polite. The nations moved around a lot, especially in the mid-west and on the western plains.

Any map of the location of the first nations (I'm being politically correct) would only be of benefit if provided with a date showing for what period it would be valid.

Native history is a moving picture, not a snapshot.

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The Comanche in their heyday raided from Mexico City to Canada. If it had four legs those bastards would steal it.
There was not much to steal to the North. Their allies, the Kiowa, made it all the way to the Yucatan! Preferred loot was Horses, Slaves, Firearms, Liquor, and stuff for the women folk. Many of the captives taken were adopted into the Tribe. The constant warfare and raiding meant you had to replace men. Cynthia Ann Parker, mother of Quanah Parker, was a famous example.

They also drove the Lipan Apache to almost extinction when they drove them out of South Texas.

Didn't they also raid the Navaho?

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I can see the name Comanche has been brought up,


He adds that some Native American groups got stuck with names chosen arbitrarily by European settlers. They were often derogatory names other tribes used to describe their rivals. For example, "Comanche" is derived from a word in Ute meaning "anyone who wants to fight me all the time," according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

"It's like having a map of North America where the United States is labeled 'gringos' and Mexico is labeled 'wetbacks,' " Herman says. "Naming is an exercise in power. Whether you're naming places or naming peoples, you are therefore asserting a power of sort of establishing what is reality and what is not."


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The Dakota/Lakota/Nakota were named "Sioux" by the French Trappers that went through the area. The tribes all had a name for themselves that mostly translated to "US" and the surrounding tribes were called "THEM". Some of the neighbors earned special names!

The Comanche and their relatives in Wyoming were often called "Snakes". I don't think this was complimentary.

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I can see the name Comanche has been brought up,


He adds that some Native American groups got stuck with names chosen arbitrarily by European settlers. They were often derogatory names other tribes used to describe their rivals. For example, "Comanche" is derived from a word in Ute meaning "anyone who wants to fight me all the time," according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

"It's like having a map of North America where the United States is labeled 'gringos' and Mexico is labeled 'wetbacks,' " Herman says. "Naming is an exercise in power. Whether you're naming places or naming peoples, you are therefore asserting a power of sort of establishing what is reality and what is not."


http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...er-seen-before

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It's a whole lotta crap. If this Doug Herman really is the senior geographer at the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian in Washington, D.C., they really need to get someone else because this is clueless. I'm hoping that Hansi Lo Wang either heard wrong, misquoted Herman or made this all up.

FN people today are called what they want to be called, that's their reality. Some prefer names from languages that few of their members can speak or understand i.e. Innu, Lakota etc. others remain post-contact traditional i.e. Seminole, Windego etc.

This map is wrong. Cheyenne? Labelled "Tsitsistas & Sutai" they're shown sitting in Wyoming. But they're Algonquian, and pre-contact they were Woodland culture and living west of the Great Lakes in Minnesota, before moving west to the Plains and adopting the Horse.

See the label "Anishinabeg/Ojibwe"? Anishinaabeg/Anishinaabe is a name that encompasses a group of Algonquian speaking FNs that also includes Odawa, Potawatomi, Cree, Mississaugas, Nipisings ... and the tribe known as the "Algonquin" (Omamiwinini) that gave their name to a whole language group, and the last one is nowhere to be found on the map.

See "Wyandotte/Huron" & "Petun/Tionontati" in Eastern Ontario? They're both Iroquoian nations, the first contact "Wendat Huron" resided between Lake Onatario and the Georgian Bay section of Lake Huron, the "Petun Tionontati" or "Tobacco" to their south west. The Iroquois Confederacy south of Lake Ontario would attack, decimate and scatter both out of the area. A large portion of these tribes, along with some Erie and Neutral i.e. Iroquoian remnants, combined in the Pays d'en Haut west of Lake Michigan. Later, after the French/Canadiens & allies beat up on the Iroquois Confederacy, a splinter group calling themselves "Wyandot", along with other Republican tribal groups (Mingo, Delaware, Shawnee etc.) moved into the area between Lake Erie, and the Ohio River (south and west of where you see "Wendat/Huron" on the map). See the "Shawanwa/Shawnee" in Ohio, they were known as the "Savannah" at first contact, guess where they were living?

That's enough for now, but I HOPE you get the picture.
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The Dakota/Lakota/Nakota were named "Sioux" by the French Trappers that went through the area. The tribes all had a name for themselves that mostly translated to "US" and the surrounding tribes were called "THEM". Some of the neighbors earned special names!

The Comanche and their relatives in Wyoming were often called "Snakes". I don't think this was complimentary.

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... "Sioux" came courtesy of their hereditary enemies, the Algonquian allies of French/Canadien traders (not trappers) & Missionary Priests, mainly Jesuits. The former would set up posts for trade, the latter Missions to serve & convert, further back in time from LBH, than LBH is to us today. A major squabble over the near extermination of the "Renard" i.e. Fox would see the Sioux attempt to break off contact for a time.

The "Snakes" of the Plains were usually Shoshone, dunno if the Sioux, Cheyenne and other Plains tribes considered it an insult to call Comanches Shoshones? It's not unusual to find "Snake" as a surname among FN peoples, but it's usually spelled "Snache"; great care must be taken when addressing same.
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I have conversed with Mr Carapella...and let me say Carapella is both a gentleman and scholar...this guy knows his Indian history.

The maps produced by Carapella are being used for not only the purpose of instilling pride in the various tribes(we should all be proud of our background for that matter) but also for educational purposes in schools around the USA.
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It's a whole lotta crap. If this Doug Herman really is the senior geographer at the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian in Washington, D.C., they really need to get someone else because this is clueless. I'm hoping that Hansi Lo Wang either heard wrong, misquoted Herman or made this all up.

FN people today are called what they want to be called, that's their reality. Some prefer names from languages that few of their members can speak or understand i.e. Innu, Lakota etc. others remain post-contact traditional i.e. Seminole, Windego etc.

This map is wrong. Cheyenne? Labelled "Tsitsistas & Sutai" they're shown sitting in Wyoming. But they're Algonquian, and pre-contact they were Woodland culture and living west of the Great Lakes in Minnesota, before moving west to the Plains and adopting the Horse.

See the label "Anishinabeg/Ojibwe"? Anishinaabeg/Anishinaabe is a name that encompasses a group of Algonquian speaking FNs that also includes Odawa, Potawatomi, Cree, Mississaugas, Nipisings ... and the tribe known as the "Algonquin" (Omamiwinini) that gave their name to a whole language group, and the last one is nowhere to be found on the map.

See "Wyandotte/Huron" & "Petun/Tionontati" in Eastern Ontario? They're both Iroquoian nations, the first contact "Wendat Huron" resided between Lake Onatario and the Georgian Bay section of Lake Huron, the "Petun Tionontati" or "Tobacco" to their south west. The Iroquois Confederacy south of Lake Ontario would attack, decimate and scatter both out of the area. A large portion of these tribes, along with some Erie and Neutral i.e. Iroquoian remnants, combined in the Pays d'en Haut west of Lake Michigan. Later, after the French/Canadiens & allies beat up on the Iroquois Confederacy, a splinter group calling themselves "Wyandot", along with other Republican tribal groups (Mingo, Delaware, Shawnee etc.) moved into the area between Lake Erie, and the Ohio River (south and west of where you see "Wendat/Huron" on the map). See the "Shawanwa/Shawnee" in Ohio, they were known as the "Savannah" at first contact, guess where they were living?

That's enough for now, but I HOPE you get the picture.
I dont know the words to write to you to convey a message to you that will in return prevent you from talking down to me or insulting Mr Carapella... Its clear you know far more of Indian history then many people but are you saying all the tribal elders that spoke with Carapella, all the research and all the work Carapella did was crap?



As a student of cartographic visualization and the development of the sense of place, I was struck by the fascinating simplicity of Mr. Carapella’s magnificent designs. Captured on his maps are the pre-European contact tribal identities from a Native American geographic perspective. This is a singular and comprehensive achievement. Mr. Carapella is to be commended for his depth
and dedicated research, illustrated so thoroughly on his maps. His maps are a unique celebration of tribal heritage. Mr. Carapella has created splendid representations of native lands through the restoration of traditional cultural names. His exceptional designs assure the continued existence of not only native identities but also the sacred places/spaces of North America’s first people."

Jeffrey M. Williams
GIS Systems Administrator
President of the Caddo Mounds State Historic Site Friends Group
Stephen F. Austin State University
Nacogdoches, Texas



"Thank you for creating visual masterpieces of truth! Your research and scholarship has created an enduring testimonial of our past, present and future, dear Aaron Carapella. I am an award winning author and as you know, have requested that you be the map maker for my new book. We also recommend your maps for teacher resources and sell them at our Children's Cultural Center of Native America. They appear in my books' bibliographies. I am forever in your debt! Yvonne Dennis, Educational Director, CCCONA and author."

Yvonne M. Dennis -author of Native American Almanac: More Than 50,000 Years of the Cultures and Histories of Indigenous Peoples


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