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Syrian Civil War, 2011 - ? From a local uprising to a proxy war, we discuss the chaos in Syria.

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Assad didnt do chemical attack first nor second time.
Check your facts and if you have some new evidence i will gladly look at them after your presentation.
Who needs evidence when you have cruise missiles and cable TV
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Assad has no reason to use chemical weapons at this point of war. He is winning and using them would only bring too much heat on him. While rebels/al-Qaida have every reason to use them or fake their use. Terrorists have lost Aleppo and in past month their major offenses in Daraa, Damascus and Hama have been utter failures. Unless they get outside help soon they are done for. And what is best way to get that help. Faking chemical weapons attack.
Sure there is a reason. Assuming, not saying this is the case, but assuming he previously used chemical weapons with no retaliation from one U.S. president, why not go for two? If he got away with it a second time with no retaliation, it is a potential domestic coup of making a major world power look weak.

As for why now, there are reasons to do it while in a stronger position. Say you think you may get a "slap on the wrist". Is it better to risk that "slap" when your adversaries may take advantage and gain an upperhand, or when you have sufficient advantages that you maintain the upperhand even after the "slap"?

I am not saying this thinking is justified, correct, intelligent, or anything, but they are reasons. In my experience saying "person A has no reason to do action X" generally ignores core human behaviors and attitudes.

I am not going to suggest who used chemical weapons over there. I have no idea and am not privy to any actual intel or other information. I would prefer if the west could work with Russia in this case to focus on defeating the IS and leaving Syria to the Syrians.
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If he is so murderously insane why has he waited this long to use them again. Last time there was chemical weapons attack was four years ago when Damascus was about fall. While rebels last year used them against Kurd's in Sheikh Maqsood.
But the rebels have good CWand kill bad guys = non muslims,while the CW of Assad are bad and they kill good Muslims = those who live in ISIS territory .

There is nothing special on CW attacks: they are used frequently in the ME,and the Muslims do not care about , only the liberals and sensitives in the West, people with a selective indignation : Kurdish children killed by CW from Saddam : no problem, Syrian children killed by CW from ISIS :no problem,but Syrian children killed by CW from Assad : stop the presses . There is nothing special on air attacks : they existed since aircraft existed .
And they result in civilian losses .
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But the rebels have good CWand kill bad guys = non muslims,while the CW of Assad are bad and they kill good Muslims = those who live in ISIS territory .

There is nothing special on CW attacks: they are used frequently in the ME,and the Muslims do not care about , only the liberals and sensitives in the West, people with a selective indignation : Kurdish children killed by CW from Saddam : no problem, Syrian children killed by CW from ISIS :no problem,but Syrian children killed by CW from Assad : stop the presses . There is nothing special on air attacks : they existed since aircraft existed .
And they result in civilian losses .
People have always differentiated different forms of death and killing and war-making. That's as old as human civilization and is not some modern, western construct. All you have to do is look back at historic execution methods to see this: weapons such as the axe or sword carried different connotations for whom they were used against.

The relative acceptability for how we kill people has always been part of our social views on violent and conflict.
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