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Old 06 Apr 17, 06:17
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Nobody is blaming the US, be it republicans or Obama - well nobody but US Americans themselves that is -

calm down.

Even Washington himself couldn't have a positive influence on this mess, only negative.
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And what about the hidden photos of all the Kurdish children wounded by CW from the US ally Saddam Hussein ?
Not very well hidden.

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That would make sense if Obama's failure in Iraq wasn't largely responsible for Syria.
Interesting. Don't quite see how that can be at all plausible, but whatever.
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When you see the red chicks of the surviving children , this means oxygen lack in blood.
They were just suffering from asthmae and played too much football.
Simple as this.And after all , these kids were future islamists terrorists , so ...
At least , that what the usual suspects here will conclude .
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When you see the red chicks of the surviving children , this means oxygen lack in blood.
They were just suffering from asthmae and played too much football.
Simple as this.And after all , these kids were future islamists terrorists , so ...
At least , that what the usual suspects here will conclude .
You need to stop with your snide comments about Americans. It's getting old, and I used to think better of you than that.
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Assad has no reason to use chemical weapons at this point of war. He is winning and using them would only bring too much heat on him. While rebels/al-Qaida have every reason to use them or fake their use. Terrorists have lost Aleppo and in past month their major offenses in Daraa, Damascus and Hama have been utter failures. Unless they get outside help soon they are done for. And what is best way to get that help. Faking chemical weapons attack.
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Assad has no reason to use chemical weapons at this point of war.
Hitler had no reason to gas the Jews - he was winning after all.

Some people are just murderously insane, they will kill you if they can.

And he can.

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And what is best way to get that help. Faking chemical weapons attack.
As if anyone cares.
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Hitler had no reason to gas the Jews - he was winning after all.

Some people are just murderously insane, they will kill you if they can.

And he can.



As if anyone cares.
If he is so murderously insane why has he waited this long to use them again. Last time there was chemical weapons attack was four years ago when Damascus was about fall. While rebels last year used them against Kurd's in Sheikh Maqsood.
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If he is so murderously insane why has he waited this long to use them again. Last time there was chemical weapons attack was four years ago when Damascus was about fall. While rebels last year used them against Kurd's in Sheikh Maqsood.
He probably has few left, after the last episode.

The rebels are also murderously insane obviously.

This is a fight of several kinds of bastards against each other, let them kill one another 'till the cows come home, they'll learn in a century or two.
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You need to stop with your snide comments about Americans. It's getting old, and I used to think better of you than that.
I wasn't thinking about US members when i posted that , dear...
The USA in my mind ,never get the privilege of the stupidity.
My remark ,sneaky if you like, was just made for thinking 2 seconds to these children , and what fate was offered to them by the world of the adults .
Sorry if i deceived you.
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He probably has few left, after the last episode.

The rebels are also murderously insane obviously.

This is a fight of several kinds of bastards against each other, let them kill one another 'till the cows come home, they'll learn in a century or two.
Assad didnt do chemical attack first nor second time.
Check your facts and if you have some new evidence i will gladly look at them after your presentation.
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Amazing. Some seem to be more worried about the alleged propaganda or the alleged blame they believe to be receiving (which wasn't even hinted at in the faintest way) than about the victims.
Amazing too how quickly Trump, liberals, democrats etc. are dragged into this particular incident about which so little facts are known that everything said at this moment is entirely speculative.
No one knows what actually happened, yet the predictable opinions abound.

Options:
Assad did it.
A rogue Syrian general did it.
A rebel or old Syrian army supply dump was accidentally bombed.
It's a rebel conspiracy to frame Assad.
It's an Assad conspiracy to frame the rebels.
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It is certainly healthy that the narrative that Assad is more evil than the Islamists is being questioned. The political forces that have for too long promoted the idea of a religion of peace contrary to all historical evidence may finally be marginalized. The evil in the world that is compounded by false historical narratives makes websites such as this increasingly valuable. It would be a good idea if we all protest the increasing censorship related to hate speech legislation and attempts by the mainstream media to silence alternative views.
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Hitler had no reason to gas the Jews - he was winning after all.

Some people are just murderously insane, they will kill you if they can.

And he can.



As if anyone cares.
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I don't get the fixation with removing Assad at this point. As of just now, the new and stated aim of the Trump administration. And I don't imagine Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons aimed at civilians. There's no gain for him in doing that, and every reason not too.

What does the U.S. now stating that Assad as an individual must go achieve? Towards the end of World War II, what would getting rid of Hitler have achieved given his likely successors - Goering, Goebbels, Himmler, etc.?

I'm sure the likely successors to Assad are equally brutal. To have the desired effect, the entire regime would need to be removed.

How do you do that?

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I don't get the fixation with removing Assad at this point. As of just now, the new and stated aim of the Trump administration. And I don't imagine Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons aimed at civilians. There's no gain for him in doing that, and every reason not too.

What does the U.S. now stating that Assad as an individual must go achieve? Towards the end of World War II, what would getting rid of Hitler have achieved given his likely successors - Goering, Goebbels, Himmler, etc.?

I'm sure the likely successors to Assad are equally brutal. To have the desired effect, the entire regime would need to be removed.

How do you do that?

Philip
Face saving and the image of change - along with the natural removal of someone with unwanted personal loyalties - would be the reason in this scenario. Since Assad loyalists are liable to "win" the civil war, replacing Assad with someone less entrenched (and possibly more open to negotiations considering how toxic Assad has become to different groups) will somewhat further American goals.

The prevailing idea seems to be that Assad will win, but his victory will be tainted by a) the severe damages done to the nation and b) the rise of counter-weight political organizations such as the (weakened) rebels and the (ostensibly loyal) Kurds make a settled peace almost a certainty.

The US has interests in Syria due to its strategic location and its deep interests in the region. The US doesn't want a Syria completely loyal to Iran, for example. Thus the US will interfere in the outcome because it wants to shape the end results for Syria as far in America's favor as possible. And they likely see Assad as an obstacle to that - it's not the brutality they dislike, it's a question of loyalty and if they think Assad's survival serves their political interests (international and domestic).
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