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Syrian Civil War, 2011 - ? From a local uprising to a proxy war, we discuss the chaos in Syria.

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Old 06 Apr 17, 01:07
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Chemical weapon attacks on Syria

Nothing makes sense about this case. Assad is clearly winning why in the world would he use chemical weapons at this stage?
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Fake news / alternative facts. Surprised that Trumpy is so sentimental and weak.
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As someone who knows something about NBC warfare I find the this story suspect.

I'd hit them with atropine first then cut the clothing off of them and then a a spray of diluted chlorine to nullify the chemicals.

But I'm not a medic.

Here's the expert advice...

http://militarymedicine.amsus.org/do...MED.169.10.757
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I'd hit them with atropine first then cut the clothing off of them and then a a spray of diluted chlorine to nullify the chemicals.
That's probably a good idea,

what if you don't have atropine or diluted chlorine on hand but only a bucket and a towel ?

Doesn't really matter much either - many of the victims were taken to Turkey I'm sure the Turks will allow US or even Polish doctors to inspect them.

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Nothing makes sense about this case. Assad is clearly winning why in the world would he use chemical weapons at this stage?
Because he's a psychopath ?
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Trump might be wanting to double gambit? Trump knows that long term Russiagate will probably destroy his Presidency so he manufactures outrage to Gulf of Tonkin another war that will see his forces trade fire with Russia, in the hope that when Russiagate eventually explodes he can claim it is all fake news manufactured by the Russian FSB to get even for his Gulf of Idlib intervention?
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Well the idiots in the media insistence on calling the president Mr. Trump instead of President Trump doesn't help. Apparently the victims of these attacks are just more pawns on the liberal sacrificial altar. The big question apparently is if Russian agent Trump has any influence with his overlords
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Trump might be wanting to double gambit? Trump knows that long term Russiagate will probably destroy his Presidency so he manufactures outrage to Gulf of Tonkin another war that will see his forces trade fire with Russia, in the hope that when Russiagate eventually explodes he can claim it is all fake news manufactured by the Russian FSB to get even for his Gulf of Idlib intervention?
Now that is a conspiracy theory worthy of a mad hatter.
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I very much doubt Trump has anything to do with this.

Gassing opponents is pretty much standard procedure for Baathists, Saddam did, Assad did it earlier - why wouldn't he do it again ?
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I very much doubt Trump has anything to do with this.

Gassing opponents is pretty much standard procedure for Baathists, Saddam did, Assad did it earlier - why wouldn't he do it again ?
Well maybe if the crazy liberals had not pushed the insane Russian conspiracy Trump would have enough credibility to influence these events. I now consider liberals an evil force at work in the world. Ideologues will eat their own babies for the cause.
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Because he's a psychopath ?
One of the many problems with warfare - and doubly so in dictatorial regimes - is that it creates its own momentum. The head psycho does not need to have officially sectioned operation for these to go ahead. Whether or not it is true in this case, it might have been a commander using what they had in the belief that they were 'working towards the Fuhrer' in [I believe] Richard Evan's phrase.

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As someone who knows something about NBC warfare I find the this story suspect.

I'd hit them with atropine first then cut the clothing off of them and then a a spray of diluted chlorine to nullify the chemicals.
I am sure that there are many things the Assad regime would like to do, but it is limited to what it has to hand. After so many years, much of their stocks may be lost, missing, unusable etc.
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Well maybe if the crazy liberals had not pushed the insane Russian conspiracy Trump would have enough credibility to influence these events. I now consider liberals an evil force at work in the world. Ideologues will eat their own babies for the cause.
Dear God man will you please stop harping about liberals and Trump.

People in the Middle East murder other people in the ME all the time in variety of gruesome ways, gassing is honestly not even the worst.

US liberals nor Trump have anything to do with that.
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Nothing makes sense about this case. Assad is clearly winning why in the world would he use chemical weapons at this stage?
Maybe because we don't know if it was true that he used chemical weapons : the only thing we have is a video from opponents of Assad showing children ,of whom we don't know where they live, with wounds from CW.

This does not prove that thee was a chemical attack by Assad directed at this children .

Such a picture is suspicious, because it is used to influence the sentimentals in the West . Children,CW :

What about the photo of the naked Vietnamese girl of 1968 running way after a US air attack showing wounds from non CW ?

Is napalm good and CW bad madam Hailey ?

That picture was also used as propaganda against the war in Vietnam .

And what about the hidden photos of all the Kurdish children wounded by CW from the US ally Saddam Hussein ?
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Idlib is a province controlled by al Qaeda. After 16 years of gwot al Qaeda controls a province and has a standing army numbered in the tens of thousands.
Al Qaeda drives vehicle bombs from their territory into crowded parts of government territory. What is the difference in dieing from a chemical weapon or the blast and heat of a vehicle bomb?
As captain Willard once said; 'charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500'
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I bet we'll see several days of media hysteria without any practical results. Again.
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Dear God man will you please stop harping about liberals and Trump.

People in the Middle East murder other people in the ME all the time in variety of gruesome ways, gassing is honestly not even the worst.

US liberals nor Trump have anything to do with that.
That would make sense if Obama's failure in Iraq wasn't largely responsible for Syria. Of course the media we can only blame the U.S. when a Republican is in power. Ideological bias has consequences and in this case it is causing the ability of the Trump administration to have a positive influence impossible.
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