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Poland temporarily closed its consulates in Ukraine after a grenade attack overnight at one of its buildings near the Polish border that Kiev said was intended to harm bilateral ties with Warsaw.


Relations between Poland and Ukraine have deteriorated in the past year in a row over World War Two atrocities, although Warsaw still strongly supports Western sanctions imposed on Russia for the 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea Peninsula.


Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko and Polish president Andrzej Duda both condemned the attack, which took place in the early hours on Wednesday in the town of Lutsk near the border.
No one was hurt but the roof of the Polish consulate there and some windows were damaged. Ukraine's Security Service said the weapon used appeared to be a rocket from an RPG-26, a disposable anti-tank launcher developed by the Soviet Union.
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I guess, regular readers already expected this, but yes - Ukraine says it was provocation of Russian FSB agents.
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I guess, regular readers already expected this, but yes - Ukraine says it was provocation of Russian FSB agents.
Not an implausible scenario.
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I doubt Ukrainian nationalists love Poland any more than they love Russia. This could have been a nationalist attack rather than Russian "provocation".
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In all likelihood a false flag operation by Russian agents as there is no rational explanation for Ukrainians doing this. Moscow is trying to sow discord between Kiev and Warsaw.

Despite this latest Russian provocation and many others like this, Polish-Ukrainian relations are very good.

There are many political, economic and social ties between Ukraine and Eastern Poles.

Something like 100,000 Ukrainians work in Poland and get paid good wages compared to impoverished Ukraine.

The owner of my favorite Polish restaurant over there, "Dwor Kresowy", is Ukrainian. He's a millionaire. Check out the link to the restaurant: http://dwor-kresowy.pl/ It's located in Radymno, Poland.

BTW, www.kresy.pl reports that in Ukraine suspected Russian paid agents pose as Poles and demonstrate with signs and banners written in perfect Polish. The signs and banners feature anti-Ukrainian slogans. A Polish journalist from kresy.pl approached those people and turned out none spoke Polish and they couldn't identify themselves.

Moscow traditionally tries to stir up hatred and fighting between Ukrainians and Poles. After annexing Polish territory in 1939, Moscow launched a massive anti-Polish propaganda campaign aimed at Ukrainian audiences. This campaign tried to convince Ukrainians that Poles are monsters and oppressors of Ukraine. Russian film director Abram Room (pronounced "Rhom") created a disgusting anti-Polish propaganda film "Wind from the East". This film was shown to Ukrainians. In the film Russian actors dressed as Polish police are shown looting Ukrainian villages and shooting Ukrainian women. We can argue this made Moscow a culprit in the Volhynia genocide of Poles 3 years later.

Watch the clip from "Wind from the East". According to the Russian movie industry, Polish police has nothing better to do except steal cows from Ukrainian women and they will use deadly force to get the cows.

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there is no rational explanation for Ukrainians doing this.

It's worth to note that that is the last in the series of anti-Polish acts in Ukraine over the last months. As for very good relations see:
http://observer.com/2016/09/from-fri...r-of-genocide/
Or from Ukrainian media - "Kiev goes through a first and very deep crisis in relations with Warsaw" (9 Feb 17):
http://apostrophe.ua/article/politic...-ukrainu/10151
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Or it could just be a nutcase with a grenade.
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It's worth to note that that is the last in the series of anti-Polish acts in Ukraine over the last months. As for very good relations see:
http://observer.com/2016/09/from-fri...r-of-genocide/
Or from Ukrainian media - "Kiev goes through a first and very deep crisis in relations with Warsaw" (9 Feb 17):
http://apostrophe.ua/article/politic...-ukrainu/10151

Police opened a criminal case on the fact of desecration of monuments to the poles who died in Lviv region
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I doubt Ukrainian nationalists love Poland any more than they love Russia. This could have been a nationalist attack rather than Russian "provocation".
Quite so. While the region does love to claim "false flag" at the drop of a hat, that always has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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I believe this should be moved to the "Ukrainian conflict" section.
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Hilarious and somewhat related to the topic: a Hungarian flag was torn off the flagpole on 6 April in the Ukrainian Transcarpathian region (which has a sizeable Hungarian minority, worth to mention). After Ukrainian officials (including the foreign minister) blamed the incident on undercover Russian agents and Russian attempts to disrupt Ukraine-Hungary relations, it turned out that the flag was damaged by a strong wind:
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...yia-s-venhryei
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/383...povredyl-veter
Ergo: Ukrainian officials would find a Russian conspiracy anywhere.
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Hilarious and somewhat related to the topic: a Hungarian flag was torn off the flagpole on 6 April in the Ukrainian Transcarpathian region (which has a sizeable Hungarian minority, worth to mention). After Ukrainian officials (including the foreign minister) blamed the incident on undercover Russian agents and Russian attempts to disrupt Ukraine-Hungary relations, it turned out that the flag was damaged by a strong wind:
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...yia-s-venhryei
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/383...povredyl-veter
Ergo: Ukrainian officials would find a Russian conspiracy anywhere.
Black flag operations (no pun intended) and conspiracy theories seem to be the default assumption whenever something disagreeable happens in the region. If it isn't Nazi-CIA collaborators its KGB Ninjas. I wouldn't be surprised if a wife decided to blame burning the pork roast on Putin.
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Meanwhile a new scandal: Polish nationalists and local authorities dismantle a monument to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in the border town of Przemyśl:
https://www.obozrevatel.com/crime/92...tnikom-upa.htm
Ukrainian Foreign Ministry calls the event "provocation". Ukrainian media hypothesize that Poles (yes, you expected that) followed secret instructions from Moscow. If followed events from Ukraine for some time that you must know that a covert plot of Russia is a universal thing that explains virtually everything there.
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Polish official statement: monuments for the UIA won't be tolerated on Polish territory.
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New round of tough talk from Polish officials regarding Ukraine-Poland history. Polish foreign minister says Ukraine will not enter EU with Bandera:
https://frontnews.eu/news/en/6119
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