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Production of the F-16 to move from Fort Worth

Yet another sign all things good do come to an end.

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Last week, Leslie Farmer, spokesperson for Lockheed’s Greenville facility, confirmed the company plans to shift production of its F-16 fighter jets from Fort Worth to the South Carolina Aviation and Technology Center, or SCTAC, in Greenville County.
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Lockheed will begin moving the production line to its facility in Greenville, S.C., at the end of the year after delivering the last of the iconic jets being built for Iraq in September, said Ken Ross, a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics in Fort Worth.
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At peak production in 1987, under the stewardship of General Dynamics, which sold its aircraft manufacturing business to Lockheed in 1993, Fort Worth was pumping out one aircraft per day. Last year, Lockheed delivered just 11 aircraft, down 35% from the 17 delivered in 2014.
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Or possibly to India:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1313757/lo...ndia-f-16-plan
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Lockheed Martin and India's Tata Group formalized an agreement to relocate the manufacturing of the most advanced F-16s to India. The effort is aimed at securing a multi-billion dollar deal from Delhi.
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The F-16 Block 70 is the next production version of the fighter jet and would be the only F-16 version in production. As such, India would become the future home of F-16 production worldwide.
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The deal is subject to the condition that the F-16 Block 70 fighter jet emerges as the winner of an Indian Air Force competition to procure more than 100 single-engine fighters.
That's a big IF, wonder if India will fall for that. Wouldn't be surprised if it's never heard from again. Who'd buy new F-16's 5-7 years from now?
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That's a big IF, wonder if India will fall for that. Wouldn't be surprised if it's never heard from again. Who'd buy new F-16's 5-7 years from now?
Countries that can't afford stealth fighters. The F16 is still one of the best digfighters out there and if the opponent doesn't have a sophisticated AD network, it's still fine.
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Outside of a fully modern Air Defense scheme, the F-16 is a very workmanlike fighter. It makes a good 2nd line fighter for modern air forces and a frontline fighter for 2nd rate air forces. It's also a good attack platform in the general sense.
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One of the most versatile designs in aviation history, we have a single engine simplicty with multi-plug-in avionics, plus varied payloads producing a ubiquitous airframe serving the latter 20th and early 21st centuries.

So many nuances and potential users that a scenario of F-16 vs. F-16 is an all too likely one for some future conflict situations.

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My gut feeling tells me a new F-16 is too expensive. The lack of current orders doesn't bode well.

It's ominous that Lockheed would need to persuade India into buying a 100 F-16's by including the entire production line into the deal.
Neither does it make sense for India to having bought Rafales (and Dassault pushing to sell them more as there is a clear need within the Indian Air Force) and subsequently buying F-16's, though an inter-F-16 war with Pakistan would be an interesting one.

Apart from that hundreds of second hand F-16's are becoming available, and Lockheed is executing a life extension program for the USAF to increase life from 8000 hrs to 12000 hrs involving several hundreds of air frames; something they can offer to buyers of second hand aircraft as well.
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It's ominous that Lockheed would need to persuade India into buying a 100 F-16's by including the entire production line into the deal.
Maybe they needed the space freed up for increased F35 production?
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That's why they planned the move to Greenville SC anyway, starting in september, requiring two years.
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That's why they planned the move to Greenville SC anyway, starting in september, requiring two years.
Also where the T-50 would be produced if they were successful (I suspect that the Saab / Boeing design will get it, however).

There is already a large service presence in SC so it should be relatively straight forward.
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Outside of a fully modern Air Defense scheme, the F-16 is a very workmanlike fighter. It makes a good 2nd line fighter for modern air forces and a frontline fighter for 2nd rate air forces. It's also a good attack platform in the general sense.
the Israelis used the F16 for the Iraqi nuclear plant attack
obviously with great success
they didn't use aerial refueling
great accuracy with the F16--the book I read said 15 of the 16 bombs hit

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It is interesting that the Israelis chose to use eight lightweight, single-engine F-16As as the bomb-carrying strike aircraft and assigned six of the heavier, twin engine F-15 “Baz” aircraft to fly combat air patrol over the mission.
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It is interesting that the Israelis chose to use eight lightweight, single-engine F-16As as the bomb-carrying strike aircraft and assigned six of the heavier, twin engine F-15 “Baz” aircraft to fly combat air patrol over the mission.
Easier to hang bombs on an F-16 than an F-15 at that stage, I suspect. Still is, in general. The F-15s had a longer reach as well, so better suited to the escort role.

The bombs that missed (IIRC it was 2) were those dropped by Brig. Gen Iftach Spector (standing pale green jacket, left-hand end). Years later he revealed that he had greyed-out as they pulled up and found himself slightly out of position for release. His Autobiography is fascinating, by the way (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Loud-Clear-.../dp/B00MF13XQU)

If it goes to India, they will supposedly get full IP and the market for some of the future upgrade work though it is unclear exactly what this will cover.
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Easier to hang bombs on an F-16 than an F-15 at that stage, I suspect. Still is, in general. The F-15s had a longer reach as well, so better suited to the escort role.

The bombs that missed (IIRC it was 2) were those dropped by Brig. Gen Iftach Spector (standing pale green jacket, left-hand end). Years later he revealed that he had greyed-out as they pulled up and found himself slightly out of position for release. His Autobiography is fascinating, by the way (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Loud-Clear-.../dp/B00MF13XQU)

If it goes to India, they will supposedly get full IP and the market for some of the future upgrade work though it is unclear exactly what this will cover.
good call on the escort range....reminds me of the disadvantage the Zeros had at Guadalcanal because of the lack of fuel for 'lengthy' dogfights
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good call on the escort range....reminds me of the disadvantage the Zeros had at Guadalcanal because of the lack of fuel for 'lengthy' dogfights
I meant more the radar and weapons fit; the F-16s were not Sparrow wired at that time, I believe, but the F-15s were. Better the latter as escorts and the multi-role Netz as the bombers.
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I meant more the radar and weapons fit; the F-16s were not Sparrow wired at that time, I believe, but the F-15s were. Better the latter as escorts and the multi-role Netz as the bombers.
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very true--but escorts need more range, correct? especially if intercept is needed? ..where as the attack planes should get in get out, with the escorts intercepting any fighters trying to engage the bombers?

did the F16s have bomb aiming systems in the original design? or was that added?..from quick research, it seems like it was designed for multi-role

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