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Geez. I haven't heard that old stereotype in ages.
It isn't a stereotype. It's a generalization. The labeling of it as a stereotype is by those wanting a massive social welfare state and needing to explain away why people are poor, remain poor, and are unable to better themselves.

Admitting that the poor are often stupid and lazy doesn't sell well. Saying they're just unfortunate or down on their luck and just need a hand up sounds far more compassionate, even if it's utter BS.

We make generalizations because they allow you to get a grasp on a problem or issue.
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The poor ‘just don’t want health care’:


^ A snotty arrogant approach that Trump disagrees with
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By definition, being at the end of the bell curve for low income and low wealth is "poor". Other end of the bell curve being "wealthy". Many "poor" in the USA still live better than the middle-class of a century ago. Some things are relative.
A decade ago, poor in the US meant:

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The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:
  • Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
  • Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
  • Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
  • The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
  • Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
  • Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
  • Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
  • Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.

"How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the 'Plague' of Poverty in America," by Robert Rector, The Heritage Foundation, 27 Aug 2007
Oh, it's relative. Now a foreign vacation is a human right. Internet access is a human right. Some see money as a human right. Perhaps soon sex will be a human right, at least if some get their way.

One day, in our utopian future, we'll be entitled to everything. "Want a Mercedes?" "Here ya go -- with remote keyless entry!" "Want a pony?" "A Kentucky Derby winner, replete with a hitching post!" "Wanna bang the Playmate of the Year?" "We can arrange that too!"

At what point do all of these entitlements exceed basic reason, I wonder. To listen to the bleeding hearts tell it, the answer is clearly never.

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The poor ‘just don’t want health care’:


^ A snotty arrogant approach that Trump disagrees with
No doubt spoken by somebody with work experience beyond droning "you want fries with that."
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The congress critters are screwing us again...

The Obamacare replacement plan, which is clearly President Donald Trump's bill, is a dumpster fire because it repeals very little of Obamacare. Conservatives are livid about it, but that won't stop Trump from attempting to ram it through Congress as is.
Here are the nine biggest problems with Trumpcare.
1. It leaves the pre-existing conditions mandate in place while repealing the individual and employer mandates. As bad as those mandates are, they are the funding mechanisms for insurance companies to cover those with pre-existing conditions. With those funding mechanisms gone, premiums will skyrocket even further since without those mandates, people will be incentivized to wait until they're sick to buy insurance, resulting in insurance companies being hampered by an insurance pool of mostly-sick Americans without enough healthy people to pay for it. That's the equivalent of waiting until your house has burned down before purchasing fire insurance. Therefore, not only will premiums soar, employers will likely drop health coverage altogether due to the higher premiums.
2. Seniors will be adversely affected by the changes listed above. Erick Erickson explains in The Resurgent how Trumpcare is essentially "a death panel for senior citizens":
Under the Republican plan, senior citizens can be charged up to five times higher than young people who can enter an insurance plan with a pre-existing condition. By keeping the pre-existing conditions provision, which causes rates to increase, along with the permitted increase in senior citizen insurance costs, the Republicans will price a large number of seniors out of the insurance market.
To be sure, insurance companies should be able to charge whatever they want to charge, but requiring the pre-existing conditions coverage distorts the market and will harm seniors through even higher rates.
Proponents of the bill will likely counter that Trumpcare's tax credits will help offset these premium increases to seniors, but the tax credits are actually a major problem, as explained below.
3. Trumpcare's tax credits would essentially create a new entitlement program. Daniel Horowitz explains in Conservative Review that Trumpcare's age-based tax credits are worth $2,000 for the young and $4,000 for the old, even reaching as high as $14,000 for families.
"It is a massive new entitlement for middle-income and lower-income Americans," writes Horowitz. "It would apply in full for families earning up to $150,000, and then phased out $100 per thousand dollars earned over that threshold. Thus, a family could theoretically get some sort of subsidy well into the $200,000-plus income level."
Additionally, healthcare policy-wonk Avik Roy points out in Forbes that these tax credits are actually "far more generous than Obamacare's" subsidies and undermine Medicaid reform because "there's a huge benefit cliff as someone moves from below the poverty level (Medicaid subsidy of $6,000 a year) to above the poverty level (GOP tax credit of $3,000 a year, at median age)." Consequently, states will be reluctant to repeal Obamacare's Medicaid expansion. The tax credits will also likely result in employers dropping coverage since a lot of their employees will be eligible for the tax credits. They will also increase the debt and further distort the market, as the credits will "hide the true cost of care from consumers, making them less price-sensitive and more likely to overconsume," per Michael Tanner.
4. Trumpcare implements a 30 percent surcharge on those who decide they no longer want to have insurance. The surcharge is an attempt to replace the individual and employer mandates as a funding mechanism for pre-existing conditions, but it's not going to work. As Roy noted, premiums will likely be costlier than the 30 percent surcharge under the Obamacare replacement plan.
"Let's say you decide not to buy insurance, then you have a heart attack and then buy health insurance," Roy wrote. "Your health care consumption is going to be way higher than 30 percent above normal. So the AHCA [American Health Care Act] effectively mandates insurers to sell you coverage at a loss."
The other problem with the surcharge is from a liberty standpoint: Trump and the GOP are subscribing to the left-wing premise that the government has the right to compel individual activity when it comes to purchasing a product. Instead of mandating people to buy insurance under Obamacare, Trumpcare would force individuals to remain on insurance or face a fine, a concept that is still tyrannical by nature.
5. The Medicaid expansion will remain in place until 2020. Medicaid can still be expanded before then, which would further strain a budget-breaking program that is riddled with problems.
6. The "Cadillac" tax will not be repealed. The 40 percent tax on lavish insurance will be delayed from 2020 to 2025, but the fact that it won't be repealed will not help soaring premiums.
7. Trumpcare provides a bailout to insurers. Tanner notes that the replacement bill provides "a subsidy for covering sick and expensive patients."
"At first read, this provision looks a lot like Obamacare’s insurer bailout, which Republicans, led by Marco Rubio, took such pride in killing," writes Tanner.
8. Illegals will be eligible for Trumpcare. Horowitz points out that Trumpcare actually has "weaker verification language" for screening illegals than Obamacare does, as Obamacare allowed officials "to check immigration status against Social Security numbers." Trumpcare will not require that because of the reconciliations process being used to ram through the bill, creating a massive loophole for illegals to obtain Trumpcare, thus creating a bigger hole in the debt.
9. If passed and signed into law, it will be a political albatross for the Republicans. Obamacare has long been a political weapon used against Democrats and was a massive factor in the Democrats' electoral losses. However, if Trumpcare passes, then, as Horowitz writes, "Republicans will own it." The premium increases, higher debt, etc., will all be blamed on the Republicans, providing the opportunity for the Democrats to claim that Obamacare's repeal worsened the health care system and that the only answer is a single-payer health care system, something that Trump has previously championed.



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The congress critters are screwing us again...

The Obamacare replacement plan, which is clearly President Donald Trump's bill, is a dumpster fire because it repeals very little of Obamacare. Conservatives are livid about it, but that won't stop Trump from attempting to ram it through Congress as is.
Here are the nine biggest problems with Trumpcare.
1. It leaves the pre-existing conditions mandate in place while repealing the individual and employer mandates. As bad as those mandates are, they are the funding mechanisms for insurance companies to cover those with pre-existing conditions. With those funding mechanisms gone, premiums will skyrocket even further since without those mandates, people will be incentivized to wait until they're sick to buy insurance, resulting in insurance companies being hampered by an insurance pool of mostly-sick Americans without enough healthy people to pay for it. That's the equivalent of waiting until your house has burned down before purchasing fire insurance. Therefore, not only will premiums soar, employers will likely drop health coverage altogether due to the higher premiums.
2. Seniors will be adversely affected by the changes listed above. Erick Erickson explains in The Resurgent how Trumpcare is essentially "a death panel for senior citizens":
Under the Republican plan, senior citizens can be charged up to five times higher than young people who can enter an insurance plan with a pre-existing condition. By keeping the pre-existing conditions provision, which causes rates to increase, along with the permitted increase in senior citizen insurance costs, the Republicans will price a large number of seniors out of the insurance market.
To be sure, insurance companies should be able to charge whatever they want to charge, but requiring the pre-existing conditions coverage distorts the market and will harm seniors through even higher rates.
Proponents of the bill will likely counter that Trumpcare's tax credits will help offset these premium increases to seniors, but the tax credits are actually a major problem, as explained below.
3. Trumpcare's tax credits would essentially create a new entitlement program. Daniel Horowitz explains in Conservative Review that Trumpcare's age-based tax credits are worth $2,000 for the young and $4,000 for the old, even reaching as high as $14,000 for families.
"It is a massive new entitlement for middle-income and lower-income Americans," writes Horowitz. "It would apply in full for families earning up to $150,000, and then phased out $100 per thousand dollars earned over that threshold. Thus, a family could theoretically get some sort of subsidy well into the $200,000-plus income level."
Additionally, healthcare policy-wonk Avik Roy points out in Forbes that these tax credits are actually "far more generous than Obamacare's" subsidies and undermine Medicaid reform because "there's a huge benefit cliff as someone moves from below the poverty level (Medicaid subsidy of $6,000 a year) to above the poverty level (GOP tax credit of $3,000 a year, at median age)." Consequently, states will be reluctant to repeal Obamacare's Medicaid expansion. The tax credits will also likely result in employers dropping coverage since a lot of their employees will be eligible for the tax credits. They will also increase the debt and further distort the market, as the credits will "hide the true cost of care from consumers, making them less price-sensitive and more likely to overconsume," per Michael Tanner.
4. Trumpcare implements a 30 percent surcharge on those who decide they no longer want to have insurance. The surcharge is an attempt to replace the individual and employer mandates as a funding mechanism for pre-existing conditions, but it's not going to work. As Roy noted, premiums will likely be costlier than the 30 percent surcharge under the Obamacare replacement plan.
"Let's say you decide not to buy insurance, then you have a heart attack and then buy health insurance," Roy wrote. "Your health care consumption is going to be way higher than 30 percent above normal. So the AHCA [American Health Care Act] effectively mandates insurers to sell you coverage at a loss."
The other problem with the surcharge is from a liberty standpoint: Trump and the GOP are subscribing to the left-wing premise that the government has the right to compel individual activity when it comes to purchasing a product. Instead of mandating people to buy insurance under Obamacare, Trumpcare would force individuals to remain on insurance or face a fine, a concept that is still tyrannical by nature.
5. The Medicaid expansion will remain in place until 2020. Medicaid can still be expanded before then, which would further strain a budget-breaking program that is riddled with problems.
6. The "Cadillac" tax will not be repealed. The 40 percent tax on lavish insurance will be delayed from 2020 to 2025, but the fact that it won't be repealed will not help soaring premiums.
7. Trumpcare provides a bailout to insurers. Tanner notes that the replacement bill provides "a subsidy for covering sick and expensive patients."
"At first read, this provision looks a lot like Obamacare’s insurer bailout, which Republicans, led by Marco Rubio, took such pride in killing," writes Tanner.
8. Illegals will be eligible for Trumpcare. Horowitz points out that Trumpcare actually has "weaker verification language" for screening illegals than Obamacare does, as Obamacare allowed officials "to check immigration status against Social Security numbers." Trumpcare will not require that because of the reconciliations process being used to ram through the bill, creating a massive loophole for illegals to obtain Trumpcare, thus creating a bigger hole in the debt.
9. If passed and signed into law, it will be a political albatross for the Republicans. Obamacare has long been a political weapon used against Democrats and was a massive factor in the Democrats' electoral losses. However, if Trumpcare passes, then, as Horowitz writes, "Republicans will own it." The premium increases, higher debt, etc., will all be blamed on the Republicans, providing the opportunity for the Democrats to claim that Obamacare's repeal worsened the health care system and that the only answer is a single-payer health care system, something that Trump has previously championed.



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unfortunately barring a few minor improvements Obama care is about as it gets without going to single payer system. Or going back to the pre Obama care system.
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Under the pre-Obama system things were actually better. None of these 'reforms' has or will do anything but drive up costs, drive down competition, and ensure that the sick get shafted while the healthy also get shafted.
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The poor ‘just don’t want health care’:


^ A snotty arrogant approach that Trump disagrees with
I think it's more a case of the poor don't give a flying f... about health care... Until they need it. Then they expect someone else to just hand it to them on a silver platter. "Oh, there's a $50,000 bill for my hospital expenses?" If I were the hospital I wouldn't be holding my breath on getting a nickel of that from some poor person.

"The poor" in America are often unwilling to do stuff for themselves. They find a job but it's boring, or it cuts into their personal time so they quit. It's simply too much hassle for them to get up in the morning, show up on time, and do "stuff."
Oh, they find a way to buy cigarettes and booze or drugs though... They mooch a place to stay off others because their credit is shot to hell and beyond.
They live in squalor because they're too lazy to do even the most basic housekeeping. They complain when the power company turns of their electricity, but it's not their fault they didn't pay the bill for the last three months. They "needed" that money for other stuff (like their cigarettes and booze). The electric company should be more understanding...

Getting arrested and being jailed isn't a wake up call they're screwing their life up. It's an annoyance. The government is interfering with them doing whatever the hell they please.

Sure, there are some poor out there that are deserving. It's unfortunate that the mass of dumb, lazy, screw-ups make it hard for those wanting to help and those truly wanting help to get it. Eventually, the help gets jaded by being scammed and jammed by the losers and when that rare someone comes along really wanting to do the right thing and get out of poverty, they're turned away or blown off because those helping the poor just see another scam headed their direction.
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I think it's more a case of the poor don't give a flying f... about health care... Until they need it. Then they expect someone else to just hand it to them on a silver platter. "Oh, there's a $50,000 bill for my hospital expenses?" If I were the hospital I wouldn't be holding my breath on getting a nickel of that from some poor person.

"The poor" in America are often unwilling to do stuff for themselves. They find a job but it's boring, or it cuts into their personal time so they quit. It's simply too much hassle for them to get up in the morning, show up on time, and do "stuff."
Oh, they find a way to buy cigarettes and booze or drugs though... They mooch a place to stay off others because their credit is shot to hell and beyond.
They live in squalor because they're too lazy to do even the most basic housekeeping. They complain when the power company turns of their electricity, but it's not their fault they didn't pay the bill for the last three months. They "needed" that money for other stuff (like their cigarettes and booze). The electric company should be more understanding...

Getting arrested and being jailed isn't a wake up call they're screwing their life up. It's an annoyance. The government is interfering with them doing whatever the hell they please.

Sure, there are some poor out there that are deserving. It's unfortunate that the mass of dumb, lazy, screw-ups make it hard for those wanting to help and those truly wanting help to get it. Eventually, the help gets jaded by being scammed and jammed by the losers and when that rare someone comes along really wanting to do the right thing and get out of poverty, they're turned away or blown off because those helping the poor just see another scam headed their direction.
That pretty well sums it up.
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Microwave ovens now have cameras to conduct surveillance in American homes...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

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This woman is an idiot.
Your hatred has made you blind....

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http://gizmodo.com/infrared-microwav...olo-1685143405

That was dated 2015 by the way...Who is the idiot...??
Her comments are since Mr Trumps election according to the OP link.

Your link is from 2015 and has no mention of Sarah Palin II.

What were you saying about intelligence?
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Your hatred has made you blind....

http://gizmodo.com/infrared-microwav...olo-1685143405

That was dated 2015 by the way...Who is the idiot...??
Well, you are, judging by this post

You would have to connect your microwave to the internet for it to be of any use in intelligence gathering, no ?
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Her comments are since Mr Trumps election according to the OP link.

Your link is from 2015 and has no mention of Sarah Palin II.

What were you saying about intelligence?

If you read the kink it was clearly dated 2015, two years before Conways statement...Which makes her statement somewhat believable...Reading skills...so, What were YOU saying about intelligence...??
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Well, you are judging by this post

You would have to connect your microwave to the internet for it to be of any use in intelligence gathering, no ?
I dunno...!!!! It says the microwaves connect to your smartphone...Take it form there......Its gizmo stuff...Like the CIA using your TV to spy on ya....I dunno how !!

My post was not bout techy stuff, just a hater calling the woman an idiot...Just maybe not so much.....
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It says the microwaves connect to your smartphone.
If all goes well, the microwaves don't connect to anything outside the oven, if they did you'd know

Incidentally - I wouldn't rule it out, in modern "domotica" you can connect your front gate, central heating, coffee machine and even your bath tub to your smartphone, allowing you to operate them at a distance.

If you do so, your entire household could be "hacked", the "weak link" would be your "smart" phone though, not the tub.


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(...) Its gizmo stuff...Like the CIA using your TV to spy on ya..
Again, "smart" TV.

If your TV is NOT connected to the internet - the only way for the CIA to use it to spy on you is to hide inside it, hard to do with a flat screen
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