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American Age of Formative Expansion 1789-1830 To begin with the 1st US President & extend through the Whiskey Rebellion, Quasi War with France, War of 1812, & southeastern Indian wars,

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Being born and raised on the Ohio I found this VERY interesting
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The Army Corps of Engineers diverted part of the flow of the Mississippi years ago into the Atchafalaya River. The extra flow has started a new delta forming where the Atchafalaya enters the Gulf of Mexico. The State of Louisiana has passed a law claiming ownership of the new land!

The Delta we know of has only been around less than 2000 years. Back then the old Delta emptied just east of Lake Ponchitrain. There has been evidence of a Copper Exporting Camp found North of Slidell on the Pearl River. Some scholars claim the Copper found there came from the Great Lakes region.

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The lower river played hob with state lines. Do and tour with Google Earth and see all the ox bows it has cut out or off.
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The Army Corps of Engineers diverted part of the flow of the Mississippi years ago into the Atchafalaya River. The extra flow has started a new delta forming where the Atchafalaya enters the Gulf of Mexico. The State of Louisiana has passed a law claiming ownership of the new land!

The Delta we know of has only been around less than 2000 years. Back then the old Delta emptied just east of Lake Ponchitrain. There has been evidence of a Copper Exporting Camp found North of Slidell on the Pearl River. Some scholars claim the Copper found there came from the Great Lakes region.

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They can probably tell where the copper came from in the Assay Lab from a minute sample.
At an open house at the Thunder Bay Museum I got a chance to speak to the Archaeologists working in the area.
They said that Copper Culture probably started soon after Lake Minong lowered to it's present day level Lake Superior around 7 thousand years ago.
Soon after the exposed copper became visible on Isle Royal and with it the beginning of Minong Mine.
copperculture.homestead.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Copper_Complex
The North American Indians traded for Copper and traveled great distances for it just as they did before for flint.
The Glaciers on retreat exposed rock & minerals needed for the formation of early tools & weapons needed for survival.
Traveling during the high water period in the spring working the mine and returning in the winter.
Due to the climate the mine was a seasonal affair the maximum number of workers was estimated at a possible 10 thousand.
The island could not support these wandering Nomads in winter besides the fact that snow was detrimental to the primitive mining methods using fire, water & hammer stones to fracture ore...

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Also a factor is a lot of Copper in the area is found in pure state. There was also a couple of areas that were under water back then as well. You could sail to the Mississippi and St Lawrence. There was even a connection to the Ohio if you go back far enough. Since then the water level fell and you can't do that without locks and canals. You could move a lot of Copper by dugout canoe and bateau. The Mississippi Mound Cultures could have supplied the manpower.

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Also a factor is a lot of Copper in the area is found in pure state. There was also a couple of areas that were under water back then as well. You could sail to the Mississippi and St Lawrence. There was even a connection to the Ohio if you go back far enough. Since then the water level fell and you can't do that without locks and canals. You could move a lot of Copper by dugout canoe and bateau. The Mississippi Mound Cultures could have supplied the manpower.

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Could be that the Chicago Portage wasn't much of a Portage at all back then as the water level of Lake Michigan was changed.
The dredging of the Saint Lawrence Sea Way for shipping lanes drained the Great Lakes as well as making shipping lanes.
Prior to Copper Culture there was a Flint Stone trade in the Lakehead Complex which used all of the old portages to the Mississippi.
http://mvac.uwlax.edu/glossary/clovis/
Clovis Points made of Jasper/ Taconite from the Lakehead Complex (Thunder Bay, Ontario) were found in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin some appeared to be heat treated...
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...great being near these rivers, since you can imagine the significant history they ''made''
you can feel the hardships of life back then...and the danger, the unknown/etc
...however, maybe I'm overthinking, if it's the second longest in NAmerica, wouldn't that make it the fifth overall if Nile, Amazon, Yangtze are top 3 ? not the fourth, as stated?
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...great being near these rivers, since you can imagine the significant history they ''made''
you can feel the hardships of life back then...and the danger, the unknown/etc
...however, maybe I'm overthinking, if it's the second longest in NAmerica, wouldn't that make it the fifth overall if Nile, Amazon, Yangtze are top 3 ? not the fourth, as stated?
Most certainly a dangerous place to be during the Ice Age for the Flint Stone's
whether 4th or 5th longest in the World still a big river draining a vast area.
Today Archaeologists are finding out just how dangerous it was as Clovis Points are found with the remains of ancient beasts Carbon Dating is possible.
The weapons can also be traced to their point of origin giving a good idea of human migration throughout N.A. during the time period.
There have been quite a few fossils from the Ice Age time period making there presence known along the Mississippi along with arrow heads.
Mastodon @ Jackson, Mississippi...
Http://www.lareecarucker.com/pages/digging2.htm
Iowa's first Giant Short Faced Bear...
https://mnh.uiowa.edu/giant-short-faced-bear
Saber Toothed Cats...
http://exhibits.museum.state.il.us/e.../smilodon.html
One can sure see why they needed weapons to hunt with and for defence in such a hostile environment.
The unidirectional skin boat was probably the earliest method of transportation on the Mississippi River & Great Lakes.
Probably similar to the one used on Ice Age Columbus...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0886500/
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