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When would they shoot it down?

Typhoons have intercepted an executive jet and escorted it to Birmingham airport. It apparently had lost communications. The BBC item doesn't say so but it seems a fair assumption that the worry was in case it was an attempt at a 9/11 style attack. One wonders what would trigger (no pun intended) a decision to shoot it down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39190527
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Disobeying instructions from the armed airplane next to you would be a good way to get shot.
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Also read the article this morning and was puzzled by this line "A Voyager aircraft from Brize Norton in Oxfordshire was also dispatched to respond to the alert."
What's a voyager aircraft?
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Disobeying instructions from the armed airplane next to you would be a good way to get shot.
dam good call--

but even though English is the universal pilot language, I would think there would still be problems
there are problems with common language communication
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dam good call--

but even though English is the universal pilot language, I would think there would still be problems
there are problems with common language communication
IIRC there are common hand signs for use when radios fail.
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One wonders what would trigger (no pun intended) a decision to shoot it down.
Possibly OK'd by the PM or authority devolved from her to local commander. Not sure of the exact RoE but I presume it would require high-level permission and only after all other avenues exhausted / aircraft was becoming a likely threat to other souls

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An A330 tanker-transport to keep the QRA fueled.

Notice that the BBC manages to post picture of an FGR 4 with Paveway and Brimstone 'scrambling'. Honestly, you would have thought that they might bother to do a little homework
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Disobeying instructions from the armed airplane next to you would be a good way to get shot.
If your comms have gone how do you receive instructions? At the speed they would be doing (and possibly the altitude) I doubt pushing the hood back or opening a window and hand signal is an option these days.
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Fighters coming in close and alongside I believe would be generally understood as "...follow us or suffer the consequences." ?

They can fly circles around you after all.

No reaction would likely lead to the conclusion the pilots are no longer in control.

Not unlike a police patrol would "ride down" another vehicle on the road.
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If your comms have gone how do you receive instructions? At the speed they would be doing (and possibly the altitude) I doubt pushing the hood back or opening a window and hand signal is an option these days.
You don't have to open the window to give a thumbs-up the pilot operating the plane that might kill you could see. Just sayin'.
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If your comms have gone how do you receive instructions? At the speed they would be doing (and possibly the altitude) I doubt pushing the hood back or opening a window and hand signal is an option these days.
Morse, using the nav lights
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That would work, morse or less effectively.
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Hand signals date back to the Great War, at least.
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I expect the RoE are classified so we won't know the boundaries until a plane is actually shot down. I would be interested to know who makes the final call. Depending on the scenario and how much time is available, maybe it falls down to even a Sqd Ldr, so what the equivalent of a Major in the army.
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I expect the RoE are classified so we won't know the boundaries until a plane is actually shot down. I would be interested to know who makes the final call. Depending on the scenario and how much time is available, maybe it falls down to even a Sqd Ldr, so what the equivalent of a Major in the army.
They are classified, but there is a difference between authority to engage and decision on how and when to engage. Former would be political, latter might well - and should - devolve to a ranking oficer in contact with the pilots.
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