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Old 22 Jun 17, 22:44
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Yes, I saw Sammy Hernandez, but only said hello as we passed in the hallway. More to the point, SGM (Ret) Billy Waugh mentioned Sammy in his official speech to the association, naming some of the giants in our ranks.
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Yes, I saw Sammy Hernandez, but only said hello as we passed in the hallway. More to the point, SGM (Ret) Billy Waugh mentioned Sammy in his official speech to the association, naming some of the giants in our ranks.
Thank you! I remember him as a little Texican who was getting a bit chubby but could still outrun all the other NCOs in the battalion. You wouldn't think it to look at him!
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If it happened, just if, then it was a pathfinder team setting up an LZ for a larger operation. Just saying, but sounds like a fantasy story.

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Jeffy, I ran into three SF retirees at the SF "International" convention in Fayetteville last week who had served in the 101st Division in Vietnam, one of whom was a LRRP (L Co, 75th Rangers) in 1970. All three had the same reaction to the idea of a 101st Combat Jump in 1970; No effin way!
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If it happened, just if, then it was a pathfinder team setting up an LZ for a larger operation. Just saying, but sounds like a fantasy story.
I think it is a fantasy story and that it didn't happen. But I've held out for the remote possibility of a small pathfinder jump by the 101st pathfinders because of the largely unknown pathfinder jumps made by the 1st Cav's pathfinder unit.

I suspect the 1st Cav line units that air assaulted onto the LZs that had just been pathfinder DZs were largely unaware that a jump had just occurred. So if a 1st Cav veteran from that era were asked about a "combat jump" made by the Cav the answer would be no. Yet the Cav's pathfinders did.

But I can't find any info that the 101st pathfinders did.
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Wasn't the 101st an air assault divison during Vietnam?
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Wasn't the 101st an air assault divison during Vietnam?
They were an airborne division when they deployed (1st Bde in 1965, the rest of the division in ~December 1967). In country, they were converted to the airmobile configuration, using both "101st Air Cavalry" and "101st Airborne Division (Airmobile)" in their quarterly AARs.

Air Assault (as in "101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)") was not used until ~1974, after the return from Vietnam, created, I believe, as part of the backlash against officially removing the airborne status from the division's 3d Bde (which was the reflagged remnants of 173rd Airborne Bde, which had generally managed to keep its airborne status in Vietnam, and was jumping again when redeployed to FT Campbell). Use of "Air Assault" in unit designations is unofficial- you won't see it in any of the Army lineage documents prepared by the Center for Military History.
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I think it is a fantasy story and that it didn't happen. But I've held out for the remote possibility of a small pathfinder jump by the 101st pathfinders because of the largely unknown pathfinder jumps made by the 1st Cav's pathfinder unit.

I suspect the 1st Cav line units that air assaulted onto the LZs that had just been pathfinder DZs were largely unaware that a jump had just occurred. So if a 1st Cav veteran from that era were asked about a "combat jump" made by the Cav the answer would be no. Yet the Cav's pathfinders did.

But I can't find any info that the 101st pathfinders did.
Thanks, Gents--I appreciate this and all the followup notes.

BTW I attended that group last month; the guy was there, and I just didn't bring up the subject. That's pretty much the way I've decided to handle it.
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