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I find a convenient death of a hitman a little bit more than suspicious. But that is a question which should be addressed to the Ukrainian police.
Russian politicians, ex-politicans, security officers / police being shot in broad daylight or killed in bizarre ways, but it is the death of a hitman that you find suspicious?
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Yes, it is suspicious how convenient it is. Just like Lee Harvey Oswald's death. And not to me alone judging by a number of conspiracy theories. As for violent deaths of prominent persons - they happen more or less regularly. And again Mr. Voronenkov was not an opposition politician or activist of any sort. He was man facing legal prosecution for an illegal side of his business activity and running away from a possible prison term. Which gives you plenty of possible murder motives, by the way.
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Meanwhile according to another media leak Vornonenkov's murderer had an ID of the Ukrainian National Guards:
https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/23/guard/
I'm curios to know about this man's identity.
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As reported in media the killer was certain Pavel Parshov - Ukrainian citizen wanted by police for fraud and money laundry and apparently he served in the Ukrainian National Guards and a rumors say took part on the Donbass war.
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Meanwhile Ukrainian clowns, I mean officials confirm that Parshov spent a year in the National Guard, while fantasizing that he was an implanted agent from FSB:
https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/24/geraschenko/
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The Russian government shoots people who post on ACG?

Still, its probably all the fault of the West / Imperialists / Zionists / [insert enemy de jour here]
No, it's that if you're Russian, in particular if you don't like the way things are headed politically, you just draw the conclusion that there's nothing to be done, and then you change the subject.

It's not that they need to be gung-ho Putin-huggers. They're at least moderately enthusiastic. The rest seem just tired, stuck in a rut, passively waiting for the next thing to happen, whatever that might be.
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No, it's that if you're Russian, in particular if you don't like the way things are headed politically, you just draw the conclusion that there's nothing to be done, and then you change the subject.

It's not that they need to be gung-ho Putin-huggers. They're at least moderately enthusiastic. The rest seem just tired, stuck in a rut, passively waiting for the next thing to happen, whatever that might be.
If you're Russian and you don't like theway things are headed politically, you are part of maybe 5% of the population. You can probably calculate the chances of him registering on a military history forum which normally attracts more patriotic types from all countries, as many people have already noted on ACG. Hint - they are not very high.
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Ok, Ukrainian SBU continues an exercise with conspiracy theories saying that there is a connection between the Voronenkov's case and yesterdays ammunition depot explosion.
https://www.unian.net/incidents/1840...zanyi-sbu.html
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No, it's that if you're Russian, in particular if you don't like the way things are headed politically
I guess the topic is about the way Ukrainian things are going. In particular about a Ukrainian citizen and a veteran of security forces killing another Ukrainian citizen in a broad light in the center of the Ukrainian capital.
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A streetcam view of the murder:
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Recent updates about Parshov's identity. After his parents divorced the man lived with his mother in Dniepropetrovsk/Ukrainian. Served in the Ukrainian "Azov" and "Donbass" militia battalions, participated in the Donbass War. As several sources say Parshov belonged to ultranationalist/nazi groups:
http://112.ua/statji/killer-dlya-dep...ve-379936.html
http://www.mk.ru/incident/2017/03/24...-parshova.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4GKmDmTTBk
A full complement here: low-level criminal, scandalous "Azov" battalion, neo-nazi.
Parshov's ID:
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A comical story develops as two former Russian MP fled to Ukraine:
http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russi.../28309734.html
http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-voron.../28313807.html

The Radio Liberty article fails to mention that before his escape Mr. Voronekov was suspected in fraud and embezzlement which seems to be a prime reason for his passion for Ukrainian democracy.
Russian FSB has already murdered the guy by assassination so I figure problem is solved. Nothing like murdering dissidents, brings back memories of Stalin. Stalin is without a doubt a very inspirational figures for Putin.
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Recent updates about Parshov's identity. After his parents divorced the man lived with his mother in Dniepropetrovsk/Ukrainian. Served in the Ukrainian "Azov" and "Donbass" militia battalions, participated in the Donbass War. As several sources say Parshov belonged to ultranationalist/nazi groups:
http://112.ua/statji/killer-dlya-dep...ve-379936.html
http://www.mk.ru/incident/2017/03/24...-parshova.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4GKmDmTTBk
A full complement here: low-level criminal, scandalous "Azov" battalion, neo-nazi.
Agents of FSB hail not just from Ukraine but from countries all over the world. An agent that carries out assassinations on the orders of Moscow generally has a scary biography. That's why he's an agent, not an elementary school teacher.

Also stop using the term "Nazi" in reference of to Ukraine. Ukraine is a parliamentary democracy. Russia is a totalitarian state. If Russia is not a Nazi country then I don't know what is. Nazism has nothing to do with the persona of Hitler. Anybody can be a Hilter, that includes Putin.

Read the definition of Nazism:

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There is no fundamental difference between German Hitlerism and Russian Stalinism. Technically they were the same systems. The only difference was psychological and emotional because communists all over the world felt a strong emotional attachment to Russian Bolshevism. But that was before they learned the extent of Moscow's crimes against humanity.

So who are you to complain about "Ukrainian SS" and what not? You had your own SS called the NKVD. Same organization, same type of government, same genocidal leadership in Moscow and Berlin, different national flags.
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Agents of FSB hail not just from Ukraine but from countries all over the world. An agent that carries out assassinations on the orders of Moscow generally has a scary biography. That's why he's an agent, not an elementary school teacher.
Oh well, there are no evidences of this guy's connection with FSB (I'm ready to bet money that Ukrainian officials won't release any). Whereas evidences of his connections with Ukrainian nationalists are present.

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Also stop using the term "Nazi" in reference of to Ukraine.
You have problems with understanding a simple text? I used "Nazi" in reference to the particular guy. And not me actually but people who used to know him (see the video in the previous post).
For your information a photo of freedom-fighters from "Azov" battalion (the former unit of late Parshov scandalously know for collecting nazi and criminal scum in its ranks ):


A Putin's propaganda naturally.

Irrelevant stream of consciousness is skipped, sorry for that.

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