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Germany opts to leave NATO

While Russia becomes more assertive in eastern Europe
Mounting pressure from NATO members to take a leading role in the alliance but Germany decides to improve trade and other relations with Russia and leaves NATO to pursue a neutral foreign policy
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The US pulls out of Germany and moves to say, Poland. Or, the US says... given Trump as President... "To hell with Europe, defend yourselves..."

The US benefits from not spending large sums of cash on European bases and units. Europe is left in a mess trying to find a way to pay for their generous welfare state and a real military.
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Poland is the beneficiary in this scenario, will US also setup military presence in Baltic states ?
How will France and Britain react ?
How will the other ex WP countries react ?
Will there be a new eastern bloc led by Poland against Russia?
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Poland is the beneficiary in this scenario, will US also setup military presence in Baltic states ?
Potentially, if the US decided to stay in Europe on a permanent basis. That would hurt the more Western European states, except possibly Britain, considerably.

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How will France and Britain react ?
Britain would almost certainly maintain ties to the US militarily. They need the US Navy in particular to maintain their position as a sea power.
France is a member of NATO in name only. They drop out entirely, no big deal. With Germany out, the smaller members might quit too. That would leave them all at risk and having to buy less capable equipment from foreign vendors like the US who no longer would give them the sort of stuff that is classified but allowed under a NATO alliance treaty.


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They'd gleefully join an alliance that has the US heading it up. Most, if not all, of them are scared $h!+less Russia will try and do a land grab on them again. They want no part of that after seeing how the USSR and WP @$$ raped them the last time.


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Possibly. Eastern Europe has it fresh in their minds what a poor neighbor Russia can be.
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The best thing for Europe is a Russian occupation. The Russians have the balls to restore Europe and jackboot the immigrant problem. Best solution yet since the current European leadership has it's head up their ass.
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The best thing for Europe is a Russian occupation. The Russians have the balls to restore Europe and jackboot the immigrant problem. Best solution yet since the current European leadership has it's head up their ass.
Could the same medicine work for the USA ?
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That would be about as bad as when France left in 1966.
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Germany then signs a treaty of friendship and military cooperation with Russia !At the same time declaring no hostile intentions against rest of NATO
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How will France and Britain react ?

The UK will continue doing what it does best....doing what the US tells them to do.

For France this is a wonderful thing. This means the next battle/war is waged on someone else's land for once. Poland, the Baltics, and perhaps even the eastern part of Germany are laid waste. Historically, being allied with Poland has always ended badly, so let the US have them.
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The UK will continue doing what it does best....doing what the US tells them to do.

For France this is a wonderful thing. This means the next battle/war is waged on someone else's land for once. Poland, the Baltics, and perhaps even the eastern part of Germany are laid waste. Historically, being allied with Poland has always ended badly, so let the US have them.
Well, the Poles can say, at least, the US has never invaded them unlike virtually all their neighbors have... I wonder, is Poland the most invaded country in history?
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Germany then signs a treaty of friendship and military cooperation with Russia !At the same time declaring no hostile intentions against rest of NATO
With a secret clause dividing Eastern Europe into zones of influence....
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Poland and Baltic states could feel the squeeze but what about its effect outside the political arena
How good are economic sanctions against Russia then?
What effect will be felt in the Balkans?
Will USA under Trump welcome such an alliance? Given their relatively better relations with Russia?
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THAT would be the time to reinstate conscription
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