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I sincerely doubt that Nazis can be classed as Christians, not only were they mass murderers, they were against the Christian religions (yes, there are more than one and it isn't monolithic), they vigorously persecuted Christian clergy, many of whom ended up in either concentration or death camps.

And just how were the middle ages 'much better for all three groups'?
and it was a very small percentage
and, of course, they were not truly Christians if they murdered
so Christians killing 6 million is total crapola--come on Stoney--that's just plain ridiculous...
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agree...this is logical and cannot be denied
Do you actually understand what 'freedom of religion' means and why it is part of the Bill of Rights?
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Do you actually understand what 'freedom of religion' means and why it is part of the Bill of Rights?
what's your point? what are you talking about?
I was agreeing with you
..no--I'm a dumbA&& and I don't understand...unlike you
please explain it to me--
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what's your point? what are you talking about?
I was agreeing with you
..no--I'm a dumbA&& and I don't understand...unlike you
please explain it to me--
Your response was not to any of my postings, but to the comment by Poor Old Spike:

'Originally Posted by Poor Old Spike
Just my 2 cents but I'm sure that when the Founding Fathers spoke of "freedom of religion" they didn't mean letting religions into the country who hate our guts..'

And that prompted my posting.
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Your response was not to any of my postings, but to the comment by Poor Old Spike:

'Originally Posted by Poor Old Spike
Just my 2 cents but I'm sure that when the Founding Fathers spoke of "freedom of religion" they didn't mean letting religions into the country who hate our guts..'

And that prompted my posting.
my mistake--you are correct on post sequence
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that doesn't have anything to do with freedom of religion
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my mistake--you are correct on post sequence
but--Spike is obviously correct
that doesn't have anything to do with freedom of religion
I disagree. Lumping an entire religion into that type of category is wrong and factually incorrect.

And it has everything to do with freedom of religion.
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I disagree. Lumping an entire religion into that type of category is wrong and factually incorrect.

And it has everything to do with freedom of religion.
he said they wouldn't want religions in that hate us--generally speaking yes?
and this only makes sense....
the Constitution, rule books, laws are really ''guide'' books...they can't cover every situation
..if a religion is known to hate America and American values, that would be nonsensical to let them in....it's freedom of religion, not freedom to hate
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Islam was started by Mohammed as a religion to unite Arab tribes into a war of conquest. Mohammed himself was both a merchant and a soldier and his wars of conquest ranged into the middle east and across North Africa.
What evidence is there to tell us that the prophet Mohammad PBUH had conceived a plan to found a religion and use it as a vehicle for Arab unification and conquest?

Given that what we know of his thoughts was written down after his death and those compositions assert categorically that his actions were the result of divine revelation in order to bring the faithful to accept the one God and surrender to his power, I should be surprised to find such a Machiavelian goal was recorded by his followers.

The Prophet died before the final unification of the Arab peoples in the peninsula made possible the first invasion of Syria, let alone the conquest of the Middle East or North Africa. While his followers of course claimed to be carrying out his , or rather, God's will, we don't have his guiding presence to corroborate whether the succeeding wars of conquest were indeed his plan or not.
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Does the religion reflect the culture or the culture the religion.

The two religions that break the mold and transcend culture are Buddhism and Christianity.
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..Christians killed 6 million Jews in the holocaust..
If Adolf was a Christian, I'm Mary Poppins..
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He did have help
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Yes Christianity brought immense benefits to the world....to Africa, South America and North America for example...


Contrary to the viewpoint that the Spanish were all bloodthirsty criminals....I have shown here on ACG documented fact that there were positive relations between Catholic Spaniards and the locals of the Americas. Ill alawys stand by Hernan Cortes....but the jury is still out for me on Columbus.
Oh?
Care to name the benefits then?
Africa is still a place in which christians tell the natives that ' Yes, aids is bad but condoms are a lot worse'.
I can't honestly think of one single thing that any religion has brought to anyone that has actually improved their lot, can you.....really?

Be specific now.

I would also venture the opinion that those Spaniards that did show some respect to the indigenous South Americans done so in spite of rather than because of their faith.
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What evidence is there to tell us that the prophet Mohammad PBUH had conceived a plan to found a religion and use it as a vehicle for Arab unification and conquest?

Given that what we know of his thoughts was written down after his death and those compositions assert categorically that his actions were the result of divine revelation in order to bring the faithful to accept the one God and surrender to his power, I should be surprised to find such a Machiavelian goal was recorded by his followers.

The Prophet died before the final unification of the Arab peoples in the peninsula made possible the first invasion of Syria, let alone the conquest of the Middle East or North Africa. While his followers of course claimed to be carrying out his , or rather, God's will, we don't have his guiding presence to corroborate whether the succeeding wars of conquest were indeed his plan or not.
The man was a warrior, it is abundantly clear that his aim was riches and death to his opponents, as one would expect from any warrior.

His 'revelations' were almost definitely the result of seizures, perhaps some form of epilepsy and his 'teachings' have led to nothing but death, destructions and enslavement.
He used his physical ailment to convince his credulous followers that every episode was a 'message from god', not a bad idea really if you want a bunch of thickos to follow you.

You attempt to divorce this small and inconsequential man from his legacy by saying that 'well he was dead by then' but what you do not state is that those latter day followers followed him to the letter of his word and they still do.

The legacy of his cult is currently one of mankind's greatest problems.
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^ so was moses infact he was an idol of muhammad
If muhammad had epilepsy, Abraham had schizophrenia trying to kill his own son because of voices ! Seriously

Europeans need to rid themselves of all these 3 desert religions.They need to go back to their roots
No middle eastern people in Europe or America ....Muslim or yazidi or Christian.Fix your own countries first, we will sell you weapons

It is abundantly clear Quran was written by ex jew zayd bin thabit....he was the official scribe hence the glorification of old testemant characters

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What evidence is there to tell us that the prophet Mohammad PBUH had conceived a plan to found a religion and use it as a vehicle for Arab unification and conquest?

Given that what we know of his thoughts was written down after his death and those compositions assert categorically that his actions were the result of divine revelation in order to bring the faithful to accept the one God and surrender to his power, I should be surprised to find such a Machiavelian goal was recorded by his followers.

The Prophet died before the final unification of the Arab peoples in the peninsula made possible the first invasion of Syria, let alone the conquest of the Middle East or North Africa. While his followers of course claimed to be carrying out his , or rather, God's will, we don't have his guiding presence to corroborate whether the succeeding wars of conquest were indeed his plan or not.
So you deny the seerah and hadith in your attempt to defend muhammad ?
So none of muhammad caliphs were true to his version of Islam?.
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