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And does "crazy" in this context carry a moral appreciation ?

Is someone who sacrifices his life for his children for instance more crazy than someone who sacrifices his life for his country ?

What of someone who betrays his country to save his children ?

Or of someone who would sacrifice his children for his God ?
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And does "crazy" in this context carry a moral appreciation ?

Is someone who sacrifices his life for his children for instance more crazy than someone who sacrifices his life for his country ?

What of someone who betrays his country to save his children ?

Or of someone who would sacrifice his children for his God ?
One of those doesn't belong with the others.
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Children for God I gather ?

What about children for country then ?

illogical decisions require faith - I will not say all faithful decisions are necessarily bad though...

Some decisions are reasonable and still illogical.
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Children for God I gather ?

What about children for country then ?

illogical decisions require faith - I will not say all faithful decisions are necessarily bad though...

Some decisions are reasonable and still illogical.
The government can tell me I need to do something and I'll at least listen. If somebody's imaginary friend says I need to something I'll be laughing to hard to properly respond.
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Effect of religion during the Crusades

I posted this elsewhere and will post it here,

Its important to note the type of behavior among the Muslims and Latin Catholics during the Crusades. Such behavior in part is what the Muslims(who converted to Christianity) or Christians(who converted to Islam) who did convert based their conversion on. A # of Latin Catholics of the 12th century whom were involved in the 1st-2nd Crusades took interest in Islam, some even knew Arabic. Otoh 12th century Muslim scholars such as Ibn Jubair and Ibn Al Qalansisi took interest in the Crusaders and their religion.

The Muslim or Quranic concept of a treaty such as a hudna, a ten year treaty was similarly used by the Crusaders in dealing with the Muslims during the times of the Crusades. Upon achieving victory in Jerusalem during the 1st Crusade, the Latin Catholics allowed the local populations of the Christians, Jews and Muslims to retain their religious freedom. Similarly in 1154 when the Muslim forces under Nur Al Din captured Damascus the relations between Muslim and Christian went on to be somewhat peaceful. The concept of Jihad and Just war are similar, that one can fight for righteous reasons but also seek out peace. These Islamic and Christian concepts are surely influences on the treaties and relations between Muslim and Christian in the Outremer.

Even when a treaty was broken during the Crusades between the Christian and Muslim force...and a war was in the works...it was incumbent upon the advancing force to warn the defenders that a war was near and to prepare to defend. The 12th century European Catholic scholar William of Tyre writes that some treaties between Muslim and Christians that were broke included the advancing army having to warn the defending force that an attack is imminent. It was normal for both Muslim and Crusader forces whom broke treaties for w/e reason some legit to warn the enemy of an upcoming war, this is perhaps inline with the Arabic and Latin Catholic concepts of chivalry.
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The government can tell me I need to do something and I'll at least listen. If somebody's imaginary friend says I need to something I'll be laughing to hard to properly respond.
No offence mate, but if you always do as the government tells you, maybe you're not tough enough to become a Christian, because a central theme of Christianity is not to let yourself be bullied by the government..
As ex-bounty hunter Paul said-
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil..." (Ephesians 6:12)

PS- hey AG bosses, is there a Religious discussion forum tucked away somewhere here, I can't seem to find one.
It's just that religion and warfare often overlap so such a forum would be a good place to clear the air of assorted misconceptions surrounding the subject..

PS- Opana, why do you think Jesus was imaginary? The whole population of Israel plus the 600-strong Roman garrison saw him strutting his stuff for three long years!-
"Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)

"Jesus went through all the towns and villages" (Matt 9:35)

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Spike, there's no record of that perp walk of JC's.

You're really not going to use the Bible to prove the Bible is accurate are you?
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Historically speaking, if anyone wants to prove that a document, book, memoir, or whatever is inaccurate, then positive proof of that idea is needed.

I believe that the historical record is accurate enough as proof that Jesus existed. And I have never seen anything credible to demonstrate that he was not a historical figure.

That process, by the way, is called historical inquiry-assemble facts and then come to a conclusion, logically. Not liking or believing in a religion or religion of any kind is not fact-it's largely emotion.

If you're interested, the place to start is to read both Josephus and Tacitus. Two events are usually employed to demonstrate that there was a historical Jesus-his baptism in the River Jordan and his execution at the hand of Pontius Pilate.
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All true but that gives no proof that he is the son of God or that the Bible is the word of God!
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No offence mate, but if you always do as the government tells you, maybe you're not tough enough to become a Christian, because a central theme of Christianity is not to let yourself be bullied by the government..
As ex-bounty hunter Paul said-
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil..." (Ephesians 6:12)

PS- hey AG bosses, is there a Religious discussion forum tucked away somewhere here, I can't seem to find one.
It's just that religion and warfare often overlap so such a forum would be a good place to clear the air of assorted misconceptions surrounding the subject..

PS- Opana, why do you think Jesus was imaginary? The whole population of Israel plus the 600-strong Roman garrison saw him strutting his stuff for three long years!-
"Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)

"Jesus went through all the towns and villages" (Matt 9:35)
Quoting the Bible is not historical proof imo.
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Historically speaking, if anyone wants to prove that a document, book, memoir, or whatever is inaccurate, then positive proof of that idea is needed.

I believe that the historical record is accurate enough as proof that Jesus existed. And I have never seen anything credible to demonstrate that he was not a historical figure.

That process, by the way, is called historical inquiry-assemble facts and then come to a conclusion, logically. Not liking or believing in a religion or religion of any kind is not fact-it's largely emotion.

If you're interested, the place to start is to read both Josephus and Tacitus. Two events are usually employed to demonstrate that there was a historical Jesus-his baptism in the River Jordan and his execution at the hand of Pontius Pilate.
You have it bassawkwards, the requirement is to prove that such a book is accurate. And your proofs have been debunked repeatedly, so you need some new material.

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Well, the facts are that we have two C11th documents, one a copy of Tacitus' Annals and the other a copy of Josephus' Antiquities. No C1st texts of thes works have survived.

In any case, neither author was writing contemporaneously with the events of the Ministry or the Passion. Each alludes only to events that could have been gleaned from the Gospels (which contradictory narratives in themselves can hardly be regarded as objective sources and only one of which was written within living memory of the events they claim to record).

Even if wholly authentic, (which most scholars believe to be the case) both Tacitus and Jospehus record nothing more than what Christians believed in the late C1st; in otherwords, hearsay.

The evidence for King Arthur is about as solid. Except, of course no one founded a world religion based on King Arthur's life. Well, not really...
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No offence mate, but if you always do as the government tells you, maybe you're not tough enough to become a Christian, because a central theme of Christianity is not to let yourself be bullied by the government..
As ex-bounty hunter Paul said-
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil..." (Ephesians 6:12)

PS- hey AG bosses, is there a Religious discussion forum tucked away somewhere here, I can't seem to find one.
It's just that religion and warfare often overlap so such a forum would be a good place to clear the air of assorted misconceptions surrounding the subject..

PS- Opana, why do you think Jesus was imaginary? The whole population of Israel plus the 600-strong Roman garrison saw him strutting his stuff for three long years!-
"Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)

"Jesus went through all the towns and villages" (Matt 9:35)
Honestly I dont understand the picture, it appears as if its meant to mock Christianity. It appears as if its meant to be a anti Christian joke, but IDK I can only guess till or if you answer mate. I also now wonder about the motive behind the earlier picture of white Jesus that you posted that is to say if that pic was actually meant as some sort of anti Christian joke.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...&postcount=162

Either way some quality depictions of Christians here, these are the types of images that have inspired men and women of Europe to do great things.



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Argument by cartoon?
Idk waiting to see what Poor Old Spike has to say.
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