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Ignore me if you will. The issue is you clearly can not present a valid counterargument to the facts I have brought forth. In a debate setting an argument is lost when one resorts to personal attacks and continued rude behavior which is what your engaging in itt. I have posted information and in response you have posted complaints.
I don't think you hold the high ground on facts.
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Billions in this world view religion in a positive manner. It is a valid talking point to suggest Islam or any religion is great, if you disagree np. But that said suggesting to me that I defend religious fascism would be akin to me saying you are from Mars, Why? Simply because I said it.
Billions have been told they'll be punished if they don't hold a positive view on religion.
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That is correct-even though all of the Christian denominations evolved in one way or another from the Catholic Church.

The Eastern Church broke with the Western Church in the Great Schism of 1054 over the position and authority of the Pope.

The others sprang from the Protestant Reformation or later...

Christianity is not monolithic and there are a great many more than one Christian Church.
Really you think most non Catholic Christians discriminate against Catholics? Perhaps I have misread your post. I find Christians in general get along fairly well at least in the recent times...just look at how during WW2 Catholics and non Catholic Christians served united as one hand with distinction and did so on numerous fronts. Thats WW2, we can also find today many Catholics and non Catholics working together in the US military as well as wrt # of charitable causes.
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The Moslem conquest, whether by Arab or Turk, was a violent one, not based on 'hearts and minds' but on conquest and the quest for riches, territory, and as much as they could grab.

Why do you think the Spanish called the taking back of Spain from the Moors the 'Reconquista?'

Why do you think the battle of Tours in the 8th century occurred? Charles Martel was determined to keep the Moors out of France.
The truth is that many white Muslims served the Ottoman Empire with distinction. I disagree that Muslims are violent conquerors, otherwise Islam would not be represented by whites, Arabs, blacks, Asians, all sorts of people same as Christianity.

I'm not sure of Charles Martel views of Islam, but I do know that Napoleon Bonaparte admired Islam..Now as a fan of Napoleon I take note of Bonaparte views of Islam.

The Spanish Empire in many ways mimicked the success of the Ottoman Empire. Spanish Muslims and Spanish Christians have contributed tremendously to the history of Spain.
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Nazis didn't invent antisemitism in Europe
Christians did centuries earlier
Christians did not invent "antisemitism". Jewish folks like Christians have their controversies, just look at the history of the Jewish Kingdom of Yemen where Jews fought wars against Christians in the 5th-6th centuries.
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You go ahead and prove he was..

One could ask to prove that the leader of Isil is a Muslim.

This thread shows something extraordinary, your going out of your way to disassociate Christianity with a state during WW2 that was over 97% Christian. Would you do the same wrt ISIL which is basically 100% Muslim save the Christian slaves. Isnt the whole point of this thread to discuss the effect of religion, sure we all have different takes on how to interpret religion and who is the true Christian or true Muslim but clearly religion and this includes Christianity and Islam has effected folks in a different manner.
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It's simple-by his actions and lack of 'good works.'
Not everyone agrees.


Hitler has been re baptized over 9 times by Mormons. See baptism of the dead.
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And Anne Frank is still in Hell.
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Lots of ideas unite lots of people, not all of them good,not all of them bad.
For eg, emancipation of slaves united lots of people, that was good.
It had a goal and it's goal was worthy and it achieved that goal.

What is religions goal?
Well Hinduism is one religion I would discuss...today there is a debate wrt Hinduism and that debate involved modern day Hindus arguing whether or not a caste system was practiced by early Hindus. For example the word caste does not appear in any Hindi scripts during the times of early Hindus. Yet there are today Hindus whom argue to keep up a so called caste system, these Hindus are largely for Third Reich supporters like Chandra Bose and are against folks like Gandhi, of course Gandhi was a man of the people who worked for peace.
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I think Mohammed actually existed..
Yes, he's in a box in Medina but Jesus is not, spot the difference?..
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..It is a valid talking point to suggest Islam or any religion is great..
Christianity is the only one with the Son of God himself in it, so it kinda gives it an edge..
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Billions have been told they'll be punished if they don't hold a positive view on religion.
Jesus is not a "religion", he's JESUS!
And he's not interested in rites and rituals and stuff, he just wants MATES..

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Jesus is not a "religion", he's JESUS!
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"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends"- (John 15:15)
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Jesus is not a "religion", he's JESUS!
And he's not interested in rites and rituals and stuff, he just wants MATES..

"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends"- (John 15:15)
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