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Here are some interesting plates of London volunteer Regiments together with more miniature pictures and one or two interesting items






















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It is interesting that the officer of the 42nd RHR is shown wearing the 'Regulation feather', white over a red base, as opposed to the 'red feather' which, the best indications tell us, was worn by the 42nd from at least 1795 and indeed, it would seem, as early as 1776.

This could, of course, simply be the result of the artist who coloured the print not being properly informed.
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Further to your last. Here are two portraits of officers wearing the white and red hackle, the first is white over red, the second is unclear.





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Indeed, Paul, thanks. I am familiar with both these portraits. The Kauffman portrait of Archibald Montgomerie dates from c.1800. There are number of anomalies relating to the headgear. The band of dicing seems to more resemble the Sutherland dicing of the 93d. The plume conforms to the white-over-red Regulation feather, which the 42nd are never represented as having worn. My guess is that the bonnet was not painted from life and the incorrect details were added later.

The lower portrait is undated, the subject and artist unknown. The evidence indicates it was painted in the autumn of 1789, shortly after the 42nd returned from Nova Scotia in October of that year. That is assuming the subject was a serving officer. It is unlikely to date from more than five years earlier.

The arrangement of paired feathers, red above white, is unexplained. The obvious assumption is that this is the mark of a battalion officer, although the portrait prefigures the introduction of the bi-coloured 'Regulation Feather' by some years. Other evidence suggests that the regiment were wearing 'the red feather' by this date.

The portrait evidently predates the adoption of an upright hackle feather plume by the 42nd, first seen in the Loutherbourg canvasses of 1802 depicting the 'Landing at Aboukir' and 'The Battle of Alexandria.' (Setting aside the Kaufman painting and the Sword Exercise prints )

The style of wearing feathers across the front of the bonnet at this time is confirmed by the 1791 print by Edinburgh caricaturist John Kay, showing the Marquis of Huntly who briefly commanded the grenadier coy of the 42nd, as indicated by the single white plume fastened to his cockade.
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The lace spacing in the Montgomerie painting is also suspect.

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What do you make of the lower gentleman's cuffs?
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I think that perhaps the artist was either 'woolly' with the preliminary sketching with the 'sitter', painted the result in his studio using notes, but didn't sketch the cuffs with any detail, thus getting them A' about T' in the final result or there was a style that wasn't documented and wasn't popular.

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I am glad you agree there was something off. It has been bothering me for sometime.

It would seem the artist, presumably drawing from memory and a vague sketch, did not understand the function that the buttons were intended to serve and therefore depicted them running 90 degrees in the wrong direction.
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I had a rummage through my archive of contemporary pictures and have selected these for perusal. I may have posted one or two before and also, I have corrected re-posted a couple where I had got them wrong with an explanation note underneath.

























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There are a few standards throughout this posting too!








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PS. When I have the time, I'll post some more pictures but this time it will be of those that I cannot pin down to a particular regiment. Perhaps and hopefully, one of you out there may have the answers.


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