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A very good article from the National Interest; we shall see how this plays out in the long run.



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If the Philippine Navy was a real one, they'd have their own survey ship and could have given data to other navies...
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If the Philippine Navy was a real one, they'd have their own survey ship and could have given data to other navies...
It's primarily for submarines?
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It's primarily for submarines?
No it for a lot of purposes. The SA navy actually for it first few years basically only did hydro survey work.
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The USNS Bowditch is an “infamous” military reconnaissance ship that has been surveying China’s coastal waters since 2002, said Ma Gang, a professor at the People’s Liberation Army National Defence University, told the official China Daily.

“Oceanic data is crucial for ship formations, submarine routes and battle planning,” Ma said. “Therefore, it is normal for the Chinese Navy to be suspicious of Bowditch’s activities given past experience.”

According to Chinese state media, the same ship was involved in incidents in 2001 and 2002 when it was shadowed by Chinese navy ships while operating in the Yellow Sea. Chinese media say it has also operated in the sensitive Taiwan Straits.

Zhang Huang, director of the security studies centre of the National University of Defence Technology, told the main edition of the People’s Daily the United States had been using civilian excuses to collect information that could have military implications.

“As soon as an underwater drone enters our waters for close in surveillance, it may be used to collect all sorts of information about submarine routes for our navy, seriously threatening our naval security,” Zhang said.
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What do you expect the Chinese government to say? Besides, they were just saying what we have been--it was doing hydrographic studies. You know--depths, reefs, etc, etc.
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What do you expect the Chinese government to say? Besides, they were just saying what we have been--it was doing hydrographic studies. You know--depths, reefs, etc, etc.
Yeah. But, is it true? Quite useful for sub operations?
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Seems the Chinese are suggesting your waters are theirs.
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Yeah. But, is it true? Quite useful for sub operations?
And surface ships. Remember the USS Guardian?
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Seems the Chinese are suggesting your waters are theirs.
Yeah that's what they've been saying. I doubt anyone here needed that article to know that.
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And surface ships. Remember the USS Guardian?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01...ilippines.html
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Yeah that's what they've been saying. I doubt anyone here needed that article to know that.
Well, apparently you don't seem to understand that. As you still have a bigger problem with the Bowditch than the Chinese pirates.
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Well, apparently you don't seem to understand that. As you still have a bigger problem with the Bowditch than the Chinese pirates.
Ah. Trying a deflection? Those are two separate issues, and take note, I didn't take issue with the Bowditch, I took issue when it's apparently "expected" that we condemn what was done to its drone. See the difference?
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Ah. Trying a deflection? Those are two separate issues, and take note, I didn't take issue with the Bowditch, I took issue when it's apparently "expected" that we condemn what was done to its drone. See the difference?
And I've seen nothing that shows you take issue with the real problem, piracy in your EEZ.
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And I've seen nothing that shows you take issue with the real problem, piracy in your EEZ.
If it was piracy take it to court. As far as I'm concerned both ships had no business there (clear enough for you?).
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