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There is piracy occurring in your EEZ. Committed by a state, not privateers. Yet you focus on a research vessel. Fascinating.
Hahaha. Piracy on a ship doing something inside our EEZ we weren't even informed of? I'm not focusing on the research vessel. I'm focusing on the fact that WE, the "longest standing ally", WERE NOT EVEN INFORMED THEY WERE SURVEYING OUR EEZ.

What you want to say, and you want me to agree to, is "It's none of our business because it's in international waters, but it's our responsibility because it's our EEZ"? Wow.
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Hahaha. Piracy on a ship doing something inside our EEZ we weren't even informed of? I'm not focusing on the research vessel. I'm focusing on the fact that WE, the "longest standing ally", WERE NOT EVEN INFORMED THEY WERE SURVEYING OUR EEZ.

What you want to say, and you want me to agree to, is "It's none of our business because it's in international waters, but it's our responsibility because it's our EEZ"? Wow.
It's not your responsibility. However, I'm quite amused that you find piracy more acceptable than research.

I feel that you should have been informed.

A huge amount of American blood was spilled on the PI and the surrounding waters in the past. There's a large Phillipino population in my area of New Jersey. Many of these folks have been my customers for years. It's unfortunate that our relations have soured.

Sadly, we have a president that has not been keen on maintaining our long standing alliances. Hopefully that will change in a few weeks.
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It's not your responsibility. However, I'm quite amused that you find piracy more acceptable than research.

I feel that you should have been informed.

A huge amount of American blood was spilled on the PI and the surrounding waters in the past. There's a large Phillipino population in my area of New Jersey. Many of these folks have been my customers for years. It's unfortunate that our relations have soured.

Sadly, we have a president that has not been keen on maintaining our long standing alliances. Hopefully that will change in a few weeks.
If it was piracy on one of our ships, yes I'd be more concerned with it. But "piracy" on a drone conducting unknown (to us) "research" in our EEZ? You don't care to inform us, don't be surprised if we don't care what happened to it.

And yes, I agree with you, I wish relations would get better. New friends must not be at the cost of old ones. Btw, blood was spilled on both sides, not just American blood, and not just in the PI.
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Hahaha. Piracy on a ship doing something inside our EEZ we weren't even informed of? I'm not focusing on the research vessel. I'm focusing on the fact that WE, the "longest standing ally", WERE NOT EVEN INFORMED THEY WERE SURVEYING OUR EEZ.

What you want to say, and you want me to agree to, is "It's none of our business because it's in international waters, but it's our responsibility because it's our EEZ"? Wow.
Longest standing ally??? You the PI? What a joke.

Which is it? International Waters or some far fetched new definition of you murdering ass hole Pres?
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You did notice that 3 days after Trump's telling the Chinese "Keep it" in what could be taken to be a veiled threat, the Chinese returned the drone right where they took it from.

That to me says they're taking Trump a lot more seriously as a rival and potential threat than they ever took Obama.

I could see Trump landing for some conference or confab of some sort in China like Obama did and the Chinese snub him with no arrival greeting and no stairs to get off AF 1, and Trump telling the crew, "Let's go. Take off. We're leaving."
Bet they wouldn't do it a second time.
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Longest standing ally??? You the PI? What a joke.

Which is it? International Waters or some far fetched new definition of you murdering ass hole Pres?
What? If you've followed the thread, put it in quotes because it was from Bass man. What's the joke?

It was 50 miles from Subic, who's using some new definition (here or anywhere)?
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You did notice that 3 days after Trump's telling the Chinese "Keep it" in what could be taken to be a veiled threat, the Chinese returned the drone right where they took it from.

That to me says they're taking Trump a lot more seriously as a rival and potential threat than they ever took Obama.

I could see Trump landing for some conference or confab of some sort in China like Obama did and the Chinese snub him with no arrival greeting and no stairs to get off AF 1, and Trump telling the crew, "Let's go. Take off. We're leaving."
Bet they wouldn't do it a second time.
I had thought that "snub" (no red carpet) would be clear by now. I guess not.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-says-...irport-1579999

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The official said it would not be of any good to China to treat Obama rudely. She declined to be identified as she was not authorised to speak to the media, the Hong Kong-based newspaper said.
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If I had to guess? It was following the Bowditch. "Passing through" as a passable excuse, as opposed to the Bowditch our supposed ally conducting oceanographic surveys of our EEZ without even the courtesy of letting us know.
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I'm sure we'll let you use our charts that are produced from the data developed.
Given the fact that we weren't even informed of any survey? Probability of that is... very low, imho, and quite beside the point.
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What? If you've followed the thread, put it in quotes because it was from Bass man. What's the joke?

It was 50 miles from Subic, who's using some new definition (here or anywhere)?
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Which means the US.

The Philippines is not the longest standing ally of the US.

See the difference?
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Which means the US.

The Philippines is not the longest standing ally of the US.

See the difference?
I know. That phrase did not come from me... see post #7.
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Given the fact that we weren't even informed of any survey? Probability of that is... very low, imho, and quite beside the point.
Sounds like you are letting the guys who post here Radicalize you.

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Whats with the jumping up and down on the EEZ. A survey boat does not need to inform you that it is surveying in a EEZ. Or i think this is probably tge case. There is a long standing agreement that has the USA survey the waters there. The data being shared with you in fact all survey data is typically shared.
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Whats with the jumping up and down on the EEZ. A survey boat does not need to inform you that it is surveying in a EEZ. Or i think this is probably tge case. There is a long standing agreement that has the USA survey the waters there. The data being shared with you in fact all survey data is typically shared.
No it's not. Our SecDef already stated we were not even aware the US ship was there.

Noone's jumping up and down. It's because some here were griping about the alleged "silence" (non condemnation) on the drone incident, that, again, supposedly it was not necessary for us to be informed because it's in international waters but since it happened in our EEZ and us being an ally we should've condemned what happened to it. As I've said, ain't going to happen.
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