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Forum readers were to create a ww2 book, free, on AFVs, that we could share among us ?

We could detail the stats of all AFVs once and for all and have an easy access to relevant data?
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I have had the same thought, but not for armour.

However, the idea is a good one. Some of the armour people here are just as 'experten' as any reference book I have seen.

the thread would have to be rigidly controlled, to avoid horseplay gumming up the works, (not that i object to that generally, just that when you are writing seriously, its better to leave the jokes out)

This is not the only subject matter that could well be covered here, suitable for the afficiendo, or the 'casual' reader, BUT, the dialogue or narrative would have to be resticted to a couple of 'wordsmiths' to make the story a little more palatable and enjoyable to read. There is nothing worse than a dry reference book.

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My 'take' on this fine idea would be to have a discussion thread, and then a poll to determine which people could 'narrate'. The info turned up would be digested as we go, and then transferred to a 'master; thread by the 'narrator', who would post each section as he went. Even the master thread, however, would be still prone to errors, so, editing would be a 'group' thing, based on what the majority of the contributors feel is the best approach to each design.

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Great! happy to see i am not alone. We have to start somewhere, perfection means stagnation.
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Forum readers were to create a ww2 book, free, on AFVs, that we could share among us ?

We could detail the stats of all AFVs once and for all and have an easy access to relevant data?
I think you would need to do it like a editor-controlled Wiki. I.e. you would have an editor or editors controlling the articles and a discussion forum where members can debate the issues.

First, you would have to agree on the organization of the book. Once that was in place, editors could initially comb the forums for relevant information, creating skeleton articles, releasing them for discussion and then edit them according to concensus or majority vote.

It will be chaos, but could be fun
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Im all for it. Hoever, armour is really not my "bag", and I would hope for something more like aviation, or submarines, which I have already authored on.

It would be 'chaos' at first, but we have our own Maxwell Smarts and '99s' here to 'Control' the 'Kaos'!
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So when do we start?
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So when do we start?
Just create a thread per tank?

The problem is how much detail you want to include per tank. Further, actual specifications are always going to be less contentious than real life capabilities.

Even considering hard data, some sites (and books) can be trusted more than others eg:

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/index.html
http://www.wwiiequipment.com/

as compared with:

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/

as examples.

Then you will need someone with both the time and inclination as 'boss'. I have the second attribute, but not the first.

Assuming we want more than mere technical data, we are basically looking at a superior version of the tank encyclopedia site. Therefore, it may be worth having 'local' experts for each nation. Perhaps.....

Don Juan : British.
Panther 3485 : German
RN Armstrong : Soviet
DogDodger : USA
????? : Other.

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Tank Data Books, created using direct measures done at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds.
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What i was thinking is, creating a concise and brief description of each AFVS during ww2. So anyone could grab the pdf or whatever type we use, and have a good overall picture in his head about them, their role, and an easy access to technical data.
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Tank Data Books, created using direct measures done at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds.
This is pretty cool, i have been looking at it superficially now, but i wish they would use the Metric system or at the very least both. I know USA still use inches and miles, but the rest of the world do not. Even tho they mention the armor thickness, the slope is never mentioned, which is important. It also most of the times not mention when a specific afv saw combat for the first time, just a roughly year of production. It doesnt describe the gun used either. For example on the su-85 it just says a 85mm gun. the L52 D-5S is not mentioned. Other than that, its very well done, thx.
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what if we did a .PDF like this https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2...WRFYmNOR3lGdm8
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This is a great idea.

Here's an idea I have myself: on forums you often see people asking how "good" any specific tank was, what the crews who fought and lived inside it thought of it. Afaik you have to read really deeply to actually form an all-rounded opinion for yourself about the performance, merits, actual reliability of any tank (which many here seems to have). Answers in forums can differ alot.

To let the reader easily find such opinions from good sources, and also get a broad view of the outcome, a large number of quotes, writings and articles etc could be collected in one place - taken from soldiers in the war, veterans, leadership, modern enthusiasts and researchers and current tankers like Nicholas Moran on Youtube.

I remember Jentz did a similar thing in his Panther book by stacking a bunch of quotes about the tank from Allied soldiers, but all sounded naively awestruck by it and there was nothing from the crews who used the thing. But intresting nontheless.

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US Tanks: http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/index.html
CW Tanks: http://www.wwiiequipment.com/
Panzers: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ENCYCLOPEDI...in+doyle+jentz
French tanks: http://conflictuel.pagesperso-orange...20ARMAMENT.pdf

I would like to see one post with all the best web sites and books. It should be a post as efficiently small as possible.
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I probably misunderstood the idea of this - it's to collect hard data like measurements and stats in a single file? I rushed and missed the point and thought it more like some new giant encyclopedia with various info. My bad
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